Dear Betsy RE: Bring back Lachie; & where's the ICAO report please?
Sorry to All - However we seem to be stuck in at least a 5 year Ground Hog Day and things are only getting worse...
Ref:
Refer to correspondence (24/02/18) from Lachie (and my reply), a former Senior Bureaucrat, from the Department of Infrastructure in the Aviation and Airports division, with the title of Director International Standards:
I believe not one of the multiple of serious safety issues we (PAIN) uncovered back then has been addressed and if anything the drift away from compliance with ICAO international safety standards has gotten far worse. At least (six years ago) we had someone (Lachie) whose job it was to create the illusion that we cared about appearing to be more closely aligned with the ICAO SARPs...
Question to add to above (to hopefully Lachie's replacement??), can we please have a copy of the latest ICAO audit report??
MTF...P2
Sorry to All - However we seem to be stuck in at least a 5 year Ground Hog Day and things are only getting worse...
Ref:
Quote:The 2023 ICAO focused safety audit and assessment
In February 2024 ICAO completed its final report following a focussed aviation safety audit held in September 2023. The report reaffirmed that Australia has an effective aviation safety oversight system. The report highlighted areas where Australia could more fully realise the benefits of closer alignment with ICAO’s standards and practices and these areas will be responded to through corrective action plans agreed with ICAO and updates to our State Safety Program (SSP) and National Aviation Safety Plan (NASP) this year. ICAO also undertook a State Safety Programme Implementation Assessment in September 2023. ICAO assessed Australia as having a mature aviation safety system overall that proactively identifies, manages and mitigates safety risks.
Refer to correspondence (24/02/18) from Lachie (and my reply), a former Senior Bureaucrat, from the Department of Infrastructure in the Aviation and Airports division, with the title of Director International Standards:
(02-24-2018, 10:14 PM)Peetwo Wrote: Dear Lachie -
Correspondence from the Department of Infrastructure etc..etc:
Dear P2,
In responding to this chain of correspondence I have tried to summarise some questions for ease of reading.
For questions on the provision of accident reports, the ATSB remains committed to meeting its international obligations in providing reports to ICAO, noting it has already acknowledged the circumstances relating to previous delays. The ATSB requested a full audit from ICAO in relation to their implementation of Annex 13 which was conducted in April 2017. This resulted in no findings relating to its reporting processes. ICAO is not currently awaiting any further reports from the ATSB.
In relation to the recruitment of Australia’s nominee to the Air Navigation Commission, this was advertised publicly. As per Departmental policy this was advertised on the APS Jobs website as well as the Seek website from 16th May to 2nd June. The nominee to the ANC is a non-ongoing employee with the Department. There is no conflict of interest in the role, as they are providing Australian expertise to an international aviation body which focuses on defining global standards to facilitate safe and efficient international air services.
For comments on filing of differences, as per Article 38 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation (the Chicago Convention), of which Australia is a signatory, we file a range of differences with ICAO. Airservices Australia regularly publish these in the Aeronautical Information Publication available on their website. Australia takes a proactive and conservative approach, updating its differences often and reporting any point of difference to allow operators the information they need to conduct safe operations.
Due the subjective nature of filing differences, the comparison of numbers of differences is not regularly used as a measure. State’s safety oversight arrangements at ICAO are benchmarked through an assessment process leading to an effective implementation score. Australia was assessed in October 2017 by ICAO auditors and while the results are yet to be made public it places Australia in the top 10 States for safety oversight compliance.
An earlier email refers to a trigger of 20 aviation fatalities for an audit, however this is not the case. ICAO maintain their own risk profile for conducting audits and accident rates are compared, particularly relative to air traffic volumes. This is one factor along with outcomes from recent assessments, State’s level of updating differences, responding to ICAO correspondence, aviation growth, political stability and maturity of safety systems amongst others.
Regards,
Lachlan Phillips
Director International Standards
Aviation Environment Branch | Airports & Aviation Division
Department of Infrastructure, Regional Development and Cities
T: +61 2 6274 6869 | M: +61 432 756 844
& my reply...
Dear Lachlan,
Thank you for responding to my questions which were originally addressed to our permanent representative to ICAO Sam Lucas to be forwarded to the ICAO Secretariat. For your ease of reading, and in order to properly summarise what we (PAIN) require from the department, I have attempted to address each of your ‘summary points’ in an abbreviated Q&A paragraph format.
To begin you said:
“..For questions on the provision of accident reports, the ATSB remains committed to meeting its international obligations in providing reports to ICAO, noting it has already acknowledged the circumstances relating to previous delays…The ATSB requested a full audit from ICAO in relation to their implementation of Annex 13 which was conducted in April 2017. This resulted in no findings relating to its reporting processes. ICAO is not currently awaiting any further reports from the ATSB…”
Q/ When you said - ‘circumstances relating to previous delays’ - did you mean the ATSB response to Karen Casey in the DIP process to the VH-NGA re-investigation final report? (See attached at ATSB response to K3)
Your response and the ATSB DIP reply comment fails to address the identified safety concern that was relayed to Sam Lucas in PAIN’s supportive report for and on behalf of Karen Casey (see attached).
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Due to the Norfolk inquires, serious investigations began in 2015. This revealed that a ‘modified’ PDF copy of the preliminary Pel-Air ditching report did exist on the ICAO data base. Tracking of the document shows no changes were made. It appears that the document was ‘on-file’ within the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) from ‘created’ date - 15 January 2010; but, was not provided to the ICAO before 10 November, 2015.
Further investigation of preliminary and final reports between 2009 to 2015 revealed that almost every report entered between 2009 and 2011 was uploaded by an ATSB officer during the same week the ‘modification’ of the Pel-Air ditching took place.
There exist four (4) examples of the 2009/2010 reports which were, apparently, submitted to ICAO ADREP in the first week of November 2015, presumably by an ATSB data input officer.
These are attached as PDF copies. To allow a determination of when the PDF copy of the [i]occurrence report was actually created, click on FILE, go to 'Properties' in the drop down box and click. Then view date 'created' date.[/i]
Research indicates a ‘selective’ approach to reporting and categorising of incident and accident.
The PAIN data base reflects the manipulation of categorisation and subsequent lack of reporting clarity – even where an investigation as actually been carried out. ICAO reporting aside, the significant, progressive reduction in SR made since the fatal accident at Lockhart River, 2005 is of grave concern to the industry.
For your information PAIN has access to both the ICAO iSTARS ADREP and ECCAIRS databases, to which there is considerable evidence that these reports are not being properly disseminated to industry.
Now it could be, as you say and have obviously been led to believe, that these ICAO reporting aberrations have been addressed from the ATSB/Australian end. This would then suggest that the disconnection of Australian AAI reports being made publicly available could be somewhere in the downstream communication with ICAO. Therefore the ATSB excel file (see attached), containing 108 ATSB completed investigations between November 2015 till November last year, could provide a valuable reference for both Australia and ICAO to cross reference to check the integrity of the ADREP system and the downstream dissemination of these valuable air safety reports.
You said:
“..In relation to the recruitment of Australia’s nominee to the Air Navigation Commission, this was advertised publicly. As per Departmental policy this was advertised on the APS Jobs website as well as the Seek website from 16th May to 2nd June. The nominee to the ANC is a non-ongoing employee with the Department. There is no conflict of interest in the role, as they are providing Australian expertise to an international aviation body which focuses on defining global standards to facilitate safe and efficient international air services…”
Comment: Thank you for that, I guess I didn’t go back far enough inside of the Seek website to which I regularly refer. On the comments on COI I guess I’ll have to agree to disagree but PAIN will be actively monitoring the performance of Mr Tiede in both his roles. Especially in light of the ongoing ATSB/Coroner investigation(s) into YMEN B200 DFO accident and it’s tie in with the Senate Inquiry into the Airport Amendment Act 2016 and the 41 pages of Australian notified differences to ICAO Annex 14 Vol 1 (see attached pic).
You said:
“…For comments on filing of differences, as per Article 38 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation (the Chicago Convention), of which Australia is a signatory, we file a range of differences with ICAO. Airservices Australia regularly publish these in the Aeronautical Information Publication available on their website. Australia takes a proactive and conservative approach, updating its differences often and reporting any point of difference to allow operators the information they need to conduct safe operations.
Due the subjective nature of filing differences, the comparison of numbers of differences is not regularly used as a measure. State’s safety oversight arrangements at ICAO are benchmarked through an assessment process leading to an effective implementation score. Australia was assessed in October 2017 by ICAO auditors and while the results are yet to be made public it places Australia in the top 10 States for safety oversight compliance…”
Comment: I am fully cognisant of the Airservices AIRAC publication but disagree with some of the premises and assumptions that you make in the above paragraphs.
To begin here is the link for the latest ASA notified differences AIRAC: http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/aip/...7-h136.pdf
I guess it could be argued that the AIP SUP does allow operators the information they need to conduct safe operations ?? However whether that information can be easily disseminated when you consider the many 100s of pages and thousands of notified differences that AIP SUP links to is an entirely different matter.
In comparison please refer to the five pages of GEN 1.7 of the Singaporean CAAS AIP: https://www.caas.gov.sg/docs/default-sou...1feb18.pdf
The following is a quote from the KC_ICAO_1 PDF (see above or attached) which we believe summarises why it is that we have such a huge number of notified differences to ICAO and why we think this is a significant safety issue concern:
“.. In general, it must be stated that the Australian Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) has an unique approach to ICAO compliance, with record number of ‘notified differences’. Many of the notifications may, at face value, seem insignificant. It is our opinion that the noted differences are structured to support the complex, contradictory, flawed rule set in place. Reform of this rule set has been in train for thirty years, with successive government ministers and directors of civil aviation promising to complete the task ‘within the next three years’. This is an important consideration as it reflects on the operational approach taken to both open reporting of ‘incident’ or event; and, the tangible fear of prosecution. Australia’s Civil Aviation Regulation (CAR) are founded on the ‘criminal code’ and ‘strict liability’; this, standing alone, provides a strong disincentive to openly reporting safety related matters. This attitude is reflected in the government safety bodies approach to ICAO compliance and reporting…”
PAIN understands that the department policy is to place very little importance on notified differences being a ‘measure’ on aviation safety standards of ICAO signatory States.
Reference: 1.2 Supplementary to submission 1 (PDF 60 KB)
Did the Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development collate and analyse the differences lodged with the ICAO by Serbia and Vanuatu when their respective Memoranda of Understanding and proposed Air Services Agreements were being negotiated?
No. Air services arrangements provide an economic framework in which airlines can consider serving a market. Differences lodged by States, among other more pertinent kinds of safety-related information, may be taken into account by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority in the assessment of applications for the operation of foreign aircraft into and out of Australia.
Regards
Gilon Smith
Director (a/g), Air Services Negotiations
Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development
gilon.smith@infrastructure.gov.au Ph: 02 6274 6634
However the above departmental answer to the QON would seem to have been contradicted in the other supplemental submission: 1.1 Supplementary to submission 1 (PDF 78 KB)
“..The process of notification of differences provides a structured way for each State to communicate its aviation rules by measuring itself against the neutral framework of the ICAO standards…”
Q/ Given this conflict in interpretation of notified differences as a ‘measuring’ stick of aviation standards and the fact that the department was obviously responsible for creating the Serbia/Vanuatu/Australia 10696 notified differences table, for the benefit of the Senate RRAT committee and industry stakeholders, would it not be possible for the department to collate a similar table for say the top 50 ICAO signatory States?
Q/ For the benefit of the committee would it be possible (in camera if required) for the department to forward the:
a/ 2017 ICAO audit report of the ATSB;
b/ The 2009 FAA IASA audit report of the CASA;
c/ The 7 December 2009 CASA Board minutes;
Finally, considering the positive feedback the department has received from ICAO’s October 2017 audit, would it be possible for the committee to view that report prior to it’s public release? Would it also be possible for the department to suggest that CASA invite the FAA IASA auditors back to audit and compare whether all the 2009 FAA IASA audit findings have been properly and proactively addressed?
PAIN and associates look forward to your response and welcome the dialogue the department has opened up with industry.
Kind regards,
P2
I believe not one of the multiple of serious safety issues we (PAIN) uncovered back then has been addressed and if anything the drift away from compliance with ICAO international safety standards has gotten far worse. At least (six years ago) we had someone (Lachie) whose job it was to create the illusion that we cared about appearing to be more closely aligned with the ICAO SARPs...
Question to add to above (to hopefully Lachie's replacement??), can we please have a copy of the latest ICAO audit report??
MTF...P2