Part 61 - For Dummies.
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Enough 61, thank you.

Quote:“Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't.  That's logic.”  (Lewis Carroll). 

Much like Tweedledee; I attempted to unravel the mysteries of CASR part 61 logic.  It can be done but it’s a tough row to hoe, honest, it is.  For starters there is a need to absolutely, with some legal precision, identify exactly what it is you want to achieve.  Too easy, some would say; I beg to differ.  It is a seriously time consuming, frustrating business – if you want to make certain – the cross referencing is a part of the overall problem.  The way I solved it was to cobble together a ‘mud map’ which picked out the many various 'other’ rules, sub sections and ‘clauses’ which impinge on any given task.  If you get it wrong, which is easy to do, the side bar references can place you in real jeopardy - accidental breach.  Accidental will not assist you; not if you become a hunted species.

I have, just for an example opened up the 61 PDF file, and dragged the curser down the page, and dropped it in a random spot – any part of 61 will do to try to explain what it is I am banging on about.   So, open, copy, paste, OK we have landed at 61.1165.  

Quote:Subject to Subpart 61.E and regulations 61.1170 to 61.1180, a
flight instructor is authorised:
(a) to conduct flight training for:
(i) pilot licences; and
(ii) ratings on pilot licences, other than:
(A) cruise relief flight engineer type ratings; and
(B) flight examiner ratings; and
(iii) endorsements on pilot licences, other than flight
examiner endorsements; and
(b) to grant endorsements to holders of pilot licences, other than:
(i) flight examiner endorsements; and
(ii) training endorsements mentioned in Part 1 or 2 of
table 61.1235; and
(iii) endorsements for which a flight test is required; and

You will need to have every element in the prescription above open, read and referenced (then cross check against the additional references) to ensure compliance.  Even then it is difficult as there are so many if’s, and’s, buts and maybe’s associated that without at least a working knowledge of ‘how’ to properly read and understand what the various parts are saying, it is possible to be ‘in breach’.  In short; you will need to have legal advice before committing yourself to achieving any of the prescribed elements above.  Not only that, but the person you are attempting to qualify should also take legal advice, just to be sure that they are, indeed, ’legally’ qualified.  

Even then; the problem which remains is all you have to protect yourself is a ‘legal opinion’, which may be tested in court; remember, the other side will also have an opinion and they not only drafted this nightmarish maze, but enforce it.

Should you wish to relive the headache, go to the NZ CAA web site, where, very easily you will find their Part 61, a modest 79 pages in total.  To look at Oz 61.1165,  I have open on my screens, including the MoS, 26 complex, contradictory, legally challenging pages from which to extrapolate the data I need to cover the short part examined.

Life is too short.

Selah.
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Part 61 - For Dummies. - by Kharon - 04-26-2015, 03:51 PM
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