All in a day’s ‘work’?
Jonathan
I have adopt some of your changes, but not all as I don’t want to confuse the recipient(s) nor create the need for further questioning.
Peter
Grammar, syntax, deliberately generated confusion and spelling aside; it just about says all that needs be said about the CASA brains trust. Seriously; how many people does it take to answer four simple questions. How much time and effort for the top dogs @ their hourly rate to dream up this twaddle, send it to all and sundry to make sure the ‘answer’ is about right – “Looks good” quoth Gobshite.
Of course a technical answer, in simple terms for ‘that man’ ‘Iggins would have been simple enough to manage, without Jonathan needing to locate and rearrange his marbles and ‘confusing’ the matter into some sort of quasi legal Mumbo-Jumbo. At least the Gobshite had sense enough to cull the ramblings from the ‘all together’ statement. Lord; what a cast of inmates.
Dear Ean.
There has been, from the Canadian safety agencies, discussion related to making it mandatory to retrofit a ‘Stall warning’ to the DH2 (Beaver). As the Canadian and Alaskan authorities manage the majority of the world DH2 fleet, CASA is monitoring their investigation process and decision making. The overseas decision, based on the vast experience of DH 2 operations available will be adopted by CASA as world best practice.Meanwhile, for your information and consideration:-
The ‘stall’ speed of the aircraft is placed at 39 knots. The ‘take-off’ speed is placed between 47 and 56 knots. Clearly, if the aircraft stops flying at 39 KIAS, and may ‘take-off’ at 47 knots there is a minimum deficit of 8 knots to be made up, before flight is even possible. The nominated climb speed is placed at about 82 knots. A pilot may lift off at the minimum speed, but must accelerate to the climb speed if the intention is to climb. With a target climb speed of 82 knots and a ‘stall’ speed of 39 knots; the need for a system to warn of a speed gate, 40 knots below any sensible flight speed and a good 10 knots before flight is even possible, the notion of ‘stall warning’ becomes ‘academic’. Furthermore, the aircraft has been in service since 1947, flown millions of hours, in tough conditions, with a range of different pilot skills, without a stall warning being fitted.
In keeping with our mandate not to make silly, knee jerk rules and to keep Jonathan quiet, lest the men in white come before 1530 hrs; we shall await the expert guidance of those who have considerably more experience with the aircraft and it’s operations. By the way, the Hawkesbury aircraft did not ‘stall’ – really it didn’t. ATSB have NFI; we have NFI so the accident will be hung on hook, in the basement freezer until everyone has forgotten all about it. The alternative is that Canada attempts to retro fit stall warning to the Bush Pilot’s aircraft – Good luck with that…..
Cheers Gobshite.
There you see Master Higgins; all much ado about nothing – except for the real story; which the incredible cost of and antics attached to, responding to your simple four questions. Just for fun; lets try:-
1) No.
2) No.
3) No.
4) Yes/No/Maybe – What do you think? Why do you want know?. Who are you again? What was it you asked?
Priceless.
One thing though – it does prove how shit scared the miniscule is of press attention and how much trouble CASA will go to, at great expense, to answer a few simple questions, honestly, in a straight forward manner. The protection racket at work.
Well, the lad has just pulled another Pint from the keg, I can still see the ghosts of the seriously long laugh we had (at CASA expense) hanging about, since P2 sent this priceless discovery through. We do try to keep him out of the dustbins – but a Terrier is – a terrier and dustbins are fair game. What more can I say but Cheers Gobshite; thanks for the laughs. Enough; Pint, darts, #1 Son and game on – if we can manage for laughing that is. What a shemozzle. Choc Frog to that man ‘Iggins (and thankyou)….
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Jonathan
I have adopt some of your changes, but not all as I don’t want to confuse the recipient(s) nor create the need for further questioning.
Peter
Grammar, syntax, deliberately generated confusion and spelling aside; it just about says all that needs be said about the CASA brains trust. Seriously; how many people does it take to answer four simple questions. How much time and effort for the top dogs @ their hourly rate to dream up this twaddle, send it to all and sundry to make sure the ‘answer’ is about right – “Looks good” quoth Gobshite.
Of course a technical answer, in simple terms for ‘that man’ ‘Iggins would have been simple enough to manage, without Jonathan needing to locate and rearrange his marbles and ‘confusing’ the matter into some sort of quasi legal Mumbo-Jumbo. At least the Gobshite had sense enough to cull the ramblings from the ‘all together’ statement. Lord; what a cast of inmates.
Dear Ean.
There has been, from the Canadian safety agencies, discussion related to making it mandatory to retrofit a ‘Stall warning’ to the DH2 (Beaver). As the Canadian and Alaskan authorities manage the majority of the world DH2 fleet, CASA is monitoring their investigation process and decision making. The overseas decision, based on the vast experience of DH 2 operations available will be adopted by CASA as world best practice.Meanwhile, for your information and consideration:-
The ‘stall’ speed of the aircraft is placed at 39 knots. The ‘take-off’ speed is placed between 47 and 56 knots. Clearly, if the aircraft stops flying at 39 KIAS, and may ‘take-off’ at 47 knots there is a minimum deficit of 8 knots to be made up, before flight is even possible. The nominated climb speed is placed at about 82 knots. A pilot may lift off at the minimum speed, but must accelerate to the climb speed if the intention is to climb. With a target climb speed of 82 knots and a ‘stall’ speed of 39 knots; the need for a system to warn of a speed gate, 40 knots below any sensible flight speed and a good 10 knots before flight is even possible, the notion of ‘stall warning’ becomes ‘academic’. Furthermore, the aircraft has been in service since 1947, flown millions of hours, in tough conditions, with a range of different pilot skills, without a stall warning being fitted.
In keeping with our mandate not to make silly, knee jerk rules and to keep Jonathan quiet, lest the men in white come before 1530 hrs; we shall await the expert guidance of those who have considerably more experience with the aircraft and it’s operations. By the way, the Hawkesbury aircraft did not ‘stall’ – really it didn’t. ATSB have NFI; we have NFI so the accident will be hung on hook, in the basement freezer until everyone has forgotten all about it. The alternative is that Canada attempts to retro fit stall warning to the Bush Pilot’s aircraft – Good luck with that…..
Cheers Gobshite.
There you see Master Higgins; all much ado about nothing – except for the real story; which the incredible cost of and antics attached to, responding to your simple four questions. Just for fun; lets try:-
1) No.
2) No.
3) No.
4) Yes/No/Maybe – What do you think? Why do you want know?. Who are you again? What was it you asked?
Priceless.
One thing though – it does prove how shit scared the miniscule is of press attention and how much trouble CASA will go to, at great expense, to answer a few simple questions, honestly, in a straight forward manner. The protection racket at work.
Well, the lad has just pulled another Pint from the keg, I can still see the ghosts of the seriously long laugh we had (at CASA expense) hanging about, since P2 sent this priceless discovery through. We do try to keep him out of the dustbins – but a Terrier is – a terrier and dustbins are fair game. What more can I say but Cheers Gobshite; thanks for the laughs. Enough; Pint, darts, #1 Son and game on – if we can manage for laughing that is. What a shemozzle. Choc Frog to that man ‘Iggins (and thankyou)….