Kharon –
The quotes above stem from a good article penned by ‘Hitch’ on Yaffa. He asks how shall progress be measured? It is a bloody good question. The IOS believe actions speak louder than words. If this 'off radar' action taken by CASA at the Canley Vale inquest is an indicator of progress then we need to have a serious look at how CASA operate now, despite all the smoke and mirrors. The Coronial inquest took place with little or no indication to the DIP (of which there are many) and those who patiently sat through long interviews with the ATSB and CASA giving evidence or statement; only to never hear the result. As “K” says; it’s all done, no doubt legal and proper, but CASA have had some serious skin in the game, as do some of the DIP’s, not any longer it seems.
I, for one, should very much like to know what prompted the second coroner recommendation. CASA had no trouble rolling Airtex and Skymaster together, providing 'witness' and generally confusing the evidence to obtain a desired result at AAT hearing; none whatsoever. But now they are to be viewed a separate entities; this confused the crap out of no less than Norton White and a classy Barrister. Even when 30% of the ‘facts and evidence were abandoned by CASA , it was almost impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff. Now it seems as though there was a shortage of witness coming forward and CASA now needs powers to compel those who would not come forward to speak up; short of witnesses? absolute Bollocks. Bollocks; because both CASA and ATSB had witnesses out of the Wazzoo, all singing from the same hymn sheet. Many wished to be heard, none were invited - Why? We know, don't we children; maybe it's time the Senate knew.
I agree with P2 nothing short of a RC or another Senate inquiry will place a full stop after the CASA machinations; there needs to be a serious, deadly serious inquiry into the way CASA treat industry. The appeals for cooperation and lip service to cultural change have been flushed down the thunder box; courtesy of yet another seriously flawed report; long delays and disingenuous ‘facts’ being presented to a hapless coroner.
This disgraceful behaviour has to stop. How can the government or industry ever trust either ATSB or CASA to do the right thing when they continue to demonstrate, clearly and regularly that they have no intention whatsoever of changing?
Pel Air was just practice for the real thing; now then, have Chester, Boyd, the board and the Senate committee got the balls to step up and actually stop this Mickey taking? It’s becoming an international embarrassment. Time to stop playing the game as scripted and take the gloves off.
Ahem; GD it may be prudent to start stoking the boiler, I’ve seen this thunderous quiet before; it does not bode well. Tread lightly though mate, quiet as a mouse.
Quote:“RAAA and TAAAF are certainly trying and bringing back Forsyth is not a bad notion. This is, in theory, a great idea. But I agree with Hitch, there must be a datum. Had there been a time line and a clear program for ‘reform’ then with a suitable yardstick, the Rev Forsyth may have had something to measure. The other valid point is that so much time has gone by, so much window dressing has been draped that it’s bloody near impossible to determine just what, if anything has been done, in fact, not in faery land. PAIN has been ‘counting’ actions rather than words; what has actually been done toward reform. Apart from the shuffling of deck chairs and a great deal of rhetoric, little tangible has emerged. The score card shows nothing of benefit to industry, much done for the CASA self image, if you count bluff, bluster and pony-pooh. But if you examine the underbelly i.e. what CASA have actually been doing, and have done behind the smiling façade, it is a sad, sorry tale. Give Forsyth some legal powers and job; then perhaps things will change.”
“Hitch mentions FOI’s and tales thereof. It is a honest quest; but seriously, what chance is there that the Yaffa legal eagles will allow publication? PAIN have on file some detailed reports (lots of) some of which beggar the imagination, until you get down in the weeds and test them; then a true picture emerges. It ain’t a pretty picture but to get anyone to commit to a statement to writing and provide sworn testimony is mission impossible. Ask anyone to write it, sign it and stand behind it; don’t get crushed in the rush to the exit. Fear of retribution rules supreme – Why? Well there’s good reason. Perhaps if the Rev wanted to measure anything that would be a good place to start – Would you be prepared to sign a statement? Honourable intentions Hitch, commendable but wishful thinking and until the ‘fear and distrust’ is removed nothing will change. The fact is that CASA have simply become more devious and a little more careful; but the bastardry continues and will continue until the known bad apples are rooted out and removed. Chambers leaving was a good start, what about the remaining clan, still there working their evil”.
The quotes above stem from a good article penned by ‘Hitch’ on Yaffa. He asks how shall progress be measured? It is a bloody good question. The IOS believe actions speak louder than words. If this 'off radar' action taken by CASA at the Canley Vale inquest is an indicator of progress then we need to have a serious look at how CASA operate now, despite all the smoke and mirrors. The Coronial inquest took place with little or no indication to the DIP (of which there are many) and those who patiently sat through long interviews with the ATSB and CASA giving evidence or statement; only to never hear the result. As “K” says; it’s all done, no doubt legal and proper, but CASA have had some serious skin in the game, as do some of the DIP’s, not any longer it seems.
I, for one, should very much like to know what prompted the second coroner recommendation. CASA had no trouble rolling Airtex and Skymaster together, providing 'witness' and generally confusing the evidence to obtain a desired result at AAT hearing; none whatsoever. But now they are to be viewed a separate entities; this confused the crap out of no less than Norton White and a classy Barrister. Even when 30% of the ‘facts and evidence were abandoned by CASA , it was almost impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff. Now it seems as though there was a shortage of witness coming forward and CASA now needs powers to compel those who would not come forward to speak up; short of witnesses? absolute Bollocks. Bollocks; because both CASA and ATSB had witnesses out of the Wazzoo, all singing from the same hymn sheet. Many wished to be heard, none were invited - Why? We know, don't we children; maybe it's time the Senate knew.
I agree with P2 nothing short of a RC or another Senate inquiry will place a full stop after the CASA machinations; there needs to be a serious, deadly serious inquiry into the way CASA treat industry. The appeals for cooperation and lip service to cultural change have been flushed down the thunder box; courtesy of yet another seriously flawed report; long delays and disingenuous ‘facts’ being presented to a hapless coroner.
This disgraceful behaviour has to stop. How can the government or industry ever trust either ATSB or CASA to do the right thing when they continue to demonstrate, clearly and regularly that they have no intention whatsoever of changing?
Pel Air was just practice for the real thing; now then, have Chester, Boyd, the board and the Senate committee got the balls to step up and actually stop this Mickey taking? It’s becoming an international embarrassment. Time to stop playing the game as scripted and take the gloves off.
Ahem; GD it may be prudent to start stoking the boiler, I’ve seen this thunderous quiet before; it does not bode well. Tread lightly though mate, quiet as a mouse.