20/20 Hindsight.

(03-09-2021, 03:50 PM)Peetwo Wrote:  Clinton McKenzie on CASA AVMED and Noble Cause CorruptionShy  

I almost missed this but for my latest chocfrog nomination, for inputs to the 20/20 inquiry, IMHO you can't go past CM's supp submission - 5.1 Supplementary to submission 5 (PDF 4847 KB) ... Wink 

Pages 5-6:



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Next CASA supp sub: 46.1 Supplementary to submission 46 (PDF 406 KB) 

And finally Dick Smith supp sub: 23.1 Supplementary to submission 23 (PDF 3671 KB) 

Footnote: Dots & Dashes in the DAS office?

An OBS on the Fort Fumble supp submission... Huh

Quote:29 December 2020
Senator Susan McDonald
Chair
Senate Rural and Regional Affairs
and Transport Legislation Committee
PO Box 6100
Parliament House
CANBERRA ACT 2600

Dear Senator McDonald

First Supplementary Submission of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority to the
Senate Inquiry into General Aviation
Thank you for the opportunity to make a further submission, supplementary to the initial submission made by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) on 17 November 2020.

In this supplementary submission our comments focus on aspects of the testimony given in evidence before the Committee by Mr Glen Buckley, who appeared in a private capacity on 20 November 2020. We reserve our prerogative to make further supplementary submissions, so long as the Committee is prepared to receive submissions.

Comment on the testimony of Mr Glen Buckley, appearing in a private capacity

In his testimony before the Committee on 20 November 2020, Mr Buckley ventilated aspects of his personal grievances with CASA and certain individual CASA officials. He did so at some length, but with little supportive detail. Some of Mr Buckley’s remarks concern issues about which reasonable people might well differ—and CASA most certainly does disagree with many of Mr Buckley’s contentions in relation to those matters. Much of what Mr Buckley said, however, consisted of statements, claims and assertions purporting to be true and correct, but which are false, misleading, and unfair....  


MTF...P2  Cool

Ps P2 coment - Besides the fact that this supp submission is a perfect follow up to the CM submission, as to how CASA do 'embuggerance' business (and that this is classic Dr Aleck legal gobbledy gook), I find it intriguing that everyone knows that the former DAS/CEO Shane Carmody's last day in the DAS office was the 24th December 2020 and yet here he is (apparently) on the 29th December 2020 trotting out a supp submission to the Senate RRAT Committee?? - Yeah right... Dodgy  



Quote:Thank you, Chair and members. I'm very happy to take questions, and I have a copy of the statement to table if you wish.


CHAIR: Thank you very much, Mr Carmody. I understand that you have resigned from CASA. When do you finish up?

Mr Carmody : No later than 24 December.


Pps Hmm...remember this -  Huh  Oz aviation, safety compromised by political and bureaucratic subterfuge ?

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