The sexual life of the camel

(10-22-2021, 07:10 PM)P7_TOM Wrote:  You have got to read - THIS - :::Brilliant stuff, cribbed from the UP.

There is an old saying which, IMO is extraordinarily applicable to not only life itself but to the way things are. I shall quote it as I heard it " a boil on your arse is not as painful as boil on mine". Countless years of watching others basted and roasted - until - suddenly - it's you on the way to Golgotha (Calvary). Even so - No matter - Master Lead Balloon wins a Choc frog. Bravo Sir, well said, indeed.

Footnote to last Rolleyes 

Via RRAT 20/20 inquiry submissions page:SAR Aviation Medicine (PDF 182 KB)

Quote:I write as a Designated Aviation Medical Examiner (DAME) for the Civil Aviation Safety
Authority (CASA) under the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations (Cth) (CASR) 67.045. I have
worked in this capacity since 2014 and am on record as being one of the busiest DAMEs in
the country, currently seeing between 300 and 400 applicants annually. I am also a private
(non-commercial) pilot and an aeroplane owner.

In my role, I primarily see pilots (30% non-commercial, 70% commercial), but have
occasionally seen cabin crew, aviation fire-fighters, parachute instructors and air traffic
controllers. Once I have seen an applicant and submitted my findings, CASA will review the
application and make a determination on whether the applicant is fit to hold a medical
clearance.

As a comparison, when a Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (LAME) (a “motor
mechanic” for aeroplanes), completes work on an aeroplane, they sign the relevant
paperwork and the aircraft is available to fly. When I, as a DAME complete the relevant
paperwork on a pilot, CASA then reviews my paperwork and, never having met the pilot, may
overturn my recommendation, request the applicant provide more information or issue a
medical clearance.

For clarity, my role has been extended by Instrument Number CASA 26/18, dated 3 April 2018
(The Instrument), whereby I have been delegated CASA’s powers and functions for Class 2
(non-commercial) medical applications under CASR 67.165, 67.175, 67.180 and 67.195.

This allows me to make all the relevant decisions, independent of CASA, with the exception
that I cannot deny a medical clearance and if I believe that a pilot is unfit, I need to forward
the application to CASA.

CASA does not trust DAME’s with this decision making process, as all certificates issued under
The Instrument are reviewed. I have instances of my decisions being altered without my
consent, for which I do not believe there is legislation providing CASA the ability to alter the
decisions.

As a medical professional, it is the only area of medicine, that I am aware of, that a
government regulator will review and over rule the decision of a clinician working alongside
the applicant.
It is worth noting that most medical officers within CASA are not pilots and have little practical
experience in aviation.
My issues with the Aviation Medicine section of CASA (AvMed) is the bureaucratic over-reach,
with no consideration to cost, health risk and time of the applicant, for very little gain to the
safety of air-navigation. Specialist opinion is disregarded by AvMed doctors underqualified in
the relevant specialty, but “experts” in armchair bureaucracy.

I provide two examples:

Ms X
Ms X at the time (2019), was a 50yo fit and healthy female, who had held a Class 2 medical
for a number of years. She is an accomplished helicopter and aeroplane pilot and had made
the decision to obtain a Class 1 medical so that she could instruct. As a routine part of this
examination, she was required to undertake an ECG. This was sent to an eminent aviation
cardiologist who reviewed an anomaly and requested a clinical review with the patient.

Following some in depth investigations and review, the cardiologist provided the opinion:
“This is an unusual finding…. but there is no evidence at this stage of any significant
underlying cardiac disease. I do not believe that further investigation is indicated, and
in my opinion, Miss X is fit for all activities, including flying”.


The cardiologist made the recommendation for annual testing and cardiologist review.
CASA restricted both her Class 1 and 2 medical certificates, forbidding her to fly without a
qualified pilot in the aircraft and shortened her medical certificates from two to one year. In
the letter advising of this, CASA stated:

“Assessment of your application and specialist reports indicates that you presently fail
to meet the relevant medical standard and I am satisfied that this may pose a risk to
the safety of air navigation due to the risk of subtle and overt incapacitation... Your
finding of rate-related left bundle branch block carries adverse prognostic significance
including elevated risk of cardiac events and death”.


This decision appears to be based on one medical paper, which compares Ms X, a fit and
healthy young female to a 58yo female and an 80yo male, both with significant heart disease.
CASA advised the removal of these restrictions would require angiography and
electrophysiological studies. It is important to note that the AvMed doctor making this
decision is not a cardiologist.

The risks from these investigations came with an approximate 1:10,000 risk of death and a
1:2,000 risk of stroke. The case was reviewed by a cardiologist who specialises in
electrophysiology, who expressed that the extra testing was not warranted and the risks far
outweighed any potential benefits. It was only after very significant public pressure was
applied by the original cardiologist, myself and the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association of
Australia (AOPA), that CASA relented, accepted a CT Scan and provided Ms X with an
unrestricted, full length (two years) medical certificate. She is now too frightened to reapply
for her Class 1 medical certificate and has given up on the prospect of instructing.

Mr Y
Mr Y was a 37yo make when he first approached me for assistance. I was not his first DAME
and his first application had been refused. Following a short course of ZybanTM (bupropion)
to assist with smoking cessation, Mr Y experienced an episode of psychosis. Not being
involved at the time, I can’t be sure of the exact details, but this disclosure and a history of
drug experimentation 15-20 years earlier, appears to have triggered a cascade of events,
eventually resulting in a hair drug test.

The hair drug test demonstrated the presence of methylamphetamine at 50pg/mg of hair.

The report noted that the Level of Detection (LOD) was 50pg/mg of hair.

Interpretation of drug testing results are complicated and require a specialist training package
from, and membership with, the Australasian Medical Review Officers Association (AMROA).

There is no Australian or international standard for hair testing results, however the Society
of Hair Testing (SoHT) (an international organisation) describes that LOD is the sensitivity of
the relevant laboratory to consistently test a specified amount of substance. In this case, the
laboratory is able to consistently detect 50pg/mg of hair, ie for every mg of hair analysed, the
laboratory can detect 0.00000005mg of methylamphetamine.

However, the SoHT reports cutoffs for single use of methylamphetamine is 02.ng/mg of hair
(or 200pg/mg of hair).

Mr Y’s hair test result demonstrated 50pg/mg of hair, at the lowermost level for laboratory
detection, but four-fold lower than is internationally accepted as evidence of an single event
of drug use. In addition, no metabolites were present. In his defence, Mr Y reports he is
employed as a luxury yacht chef, that he is constantly exposed to amphetamines and other
drugs in the course of his employment, but does not use any illicit substance.

The hair test for Mr Y should be reported by an AMROA member as a negative result, and
CASA should have acted accordingly on that report.

Mr Y saw a psychiatrist who, recognising the result
as negative, made no comment on the
drug test at the time of writing a report to CASA.

CASA reviewed the drug test and the psychiatrist report and wrote to Mr Y refusing him a
medical clearance.

In the letter, CASA wrote:
  • “A hair test for drugs performed on 22 Aug 2018 showed a positive result for
   methamphetamine”
  •  “(Your psychiatrist) did not seem to be aware that you had a hair test that was positive
to methamphetamine in the report dated 22/8/2019”
  •  “I have formed the view that you suffer from a problematic use of substances and
have a significant psychiatric history, and that you therefore fail to meet the applicable
Medical Standard. You are also an unreliable historian, having failed to disclose your
medical history to CASA as well as your history of a positive hair drug test for
methamphetamine to your psychiatrist”

As can be seen above, none of these assertions are correct. Based on these conclusions, Mr Y
was declined a medical certificate and barred from reapplying for 12 months.

As discussed above, this all occurred prior to my involvement. He eventually approached me
for assistance with a new application. At this time, I explained to CASA, in writing, my concerns
with their decision and the rationale. I requested to be involved in any patient discussions
held by AvMed medical staff and was declined.

Mr Y has spent the best part of $20,000 trying to obtain and maintain a medical clearance,
based on a CASA opinion that is inherently incorrect.

I could provide many more examples!

As a medical practitioner, I can accept that people make mistakes, but these cases are not
mistakes, these are instances where AvMed doctors have brutalised individuals, for no
particular gain, except the theoretical “safety of air navigation”, which on review, was never
compromised.

As much as I, and many others, enjoy acting as a pilot, we are under no illusions of the
potential of a catastrophic outcome. Aviation is an inherently risky pursuit, whether in a
professional or hobby capacity, but CASA needs to accept that risk should be considered
against the financial and emotional burden of the decisions that have been made. There also
needs to be a willingness by CASA to accept their mistakes, and to make amends to the
individuals wronged.

I would be happy to present to the Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Legislation
Committee into General Aviation, if you so required.


Hmm...I wonder why Senator McDolittle hasn't (as yet) invited submitter 56 to present before the committee? (HINT) Perhaps the committee could have a joint sitting with sub 56, Clinton McKenzie, Sandy Reith and EAA Chapter 1308??  Shy


MTF...P2  Tongue
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Kharon - 12-25-2015, 06:31 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 02-10-2016, 06:03 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Sandy Reith - 02-11-2016, 11:04 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 03-15-2016, 07:58 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 03-18-2016, 10:28 AM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 09-09-2016, 08:51 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Gobbledock - 09-10-2016, 11:06 AM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Kharon - 10-06-2016, 04:59 PM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Cap'n Wannabe - 12-27-2016, 11:29 AM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Sandy Reith - 12-31-2016, 02:49 PM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 01-03-2017, 09:12 PM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Sandy Reith - 04-28-2017, 02:13 PM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by thorn bird - 09-26-2017, 05:07 PM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 11-12-2018, 04:53 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Sandy Reith - 11-14-2018, 02:40 AM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Cap'n Wannabe - 12-08-2018, 11:14 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 12-19-2018, 09:17 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Kharon - 02-22-2019, 12:59 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Sandy Reith - 02-23-2019, 09:13 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Kharon - 02-23-2019, 04:58 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Kharon - 03-18-2019, 06:34 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 04-24-2019, 08:40 AM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by P7_TOM - 06-23-2019, 08:12 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 08-16-2019, 12:02 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Cap'n Wannabe - 02-12-2020, 09:42 AM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Sandy Reith - 02-28-2020, 05:05 PM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Kharon - 03-11-2021, 07:21 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 10-14-2021, 08:36 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Sandy Reith - 10-14-2021, 01:45 PM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 10-28-2021, 07:18 PM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Wombat - 12-01-2021, 09:05 PM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Kharon - 01-21-2022, 05:52 AM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Sandy Reith - 05-04-2022, 11:58 AM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Kharon - 07-28-2022, 07:05 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Sandy Reith - 08-07-2022, 02:57 PM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Wombat - 09-11-2022, 05:59 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Sandy Reith - 09-11-2022, 11:28 AM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Kharon - 11-01-2022, 07:01 AM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Kharon - 11-23-2022, 06:51 AM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 11-25-2022, 10:15 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 11-29-2022, 07:45 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 01-25-2023, 05:26 PM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 05-18-2023, 10:35 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Sandy Reith - 05-18-2023, 11:37 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Kharon - 06-02-2023, 06:49 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 06-14-2023, 08:31 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Sandy Reith - 06-14-2023, 02:05 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Sandy Reith - 06-14-2023, 06:58 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 06-19-2023, 08:25 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Wombat - 06-20-2023, 04:54 AM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Kharon - 06-22-2023, 06:58 AM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Kharon - 06-24-2023, 07:28 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 06-24-2023, 10:37 AM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Wombat - 06-24-2023, 10:57 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Kharon - 06-25-2023, 07:58 AM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 06-28-2023, 10:56 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 07-19-2023, 10:30 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Sandy Reith - 07-19-2023, 11:26 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Earl Lank - 07-19-2023, 01:30 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 08-20-2023, 11:01 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 09-01-2023, 09:06 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 10-27-2023, 06:13 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 11-11-2023, 08:26 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 11-12-2023, 08:02 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Sandy Reith - 11-12-2023, 09:32 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 11-16-2023, 08:46 AM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 01-12-2024, 08:00 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Earl Lank - 01-14-2024, 08:37 AM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 01-19-2024, 09:04 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Wombat - 01-19-2024, 11:52 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Earl Lank - 01-20-2024, 07:20 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 01-20-2024, 08:20 AM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Earl Lank - 01-20-2024, 08:51 AM
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RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Peetwo - 02-23-2024, 03:16 PM
RE: The sexual life of the camel - by Sandy Reith - 02-23-2024, 04:28 PM
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