Project 370 - The search must go on.
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This aircraft took off from Malaysia on 8 March 2014 and never arrived at its destination.

Several governments have spent vast sums trying to find it, to no avail. Officially, as of January 2017 - until such time as "new evidence" becomes available - all underwater surveying has been suspended.

The Project 370 foundation is an international, a-political, non-denominational, non-profit volunteer initiative of a diverse group of planetary citizens who believe the aircraft must be found and who are intent on helping to locate it;

Firstly: To ensure the integrity of the aviation safety process, to complete the record and execute the primary mandate of any aviation accident investigation.
Secondly: As a humanitarian imperative to assist - if at all possible - to bring closure to the families of 239 of our fellow human beings who were aboard the airliner.

Nobody can ever know the "why" of this accident until someone solves the "where".
Project370 is a crowd-funded initiative to help find the missing aircraft.
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The Plan:
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(Geeky stuff but worth a read...)
Step one - Pre survey phase.
 
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A bit of background: When the authorities from Australia and Malaysia first sent out survey ships to the far South of the Indian Ocean to try and look for the missing airliner, they had determined their search area using the best data then available.

No floating debris had yet been recovered and so electronic data was used from the INMARSAT company to work out where the aircraft might have gone.

This work was incredibly complicated and had never before been used to determine an aircraft's track. That this was possible at all is an achievement in itself and those involved in this work deserve every bit of thanks and praise. Subsequent events seem to have confirmed that they were correct in their estimates in a general sense. Not pin-point accurate, but in the right part of the world.

We know this because the debris that was subsequently discovered on beaches of the western Indian Ocean in places such as Mauritius, East africa and South Africa, could ONLY have originated in the Indian Ocean.

Why Project370 will be highly cost-effective: A further aspect of the official search undertaken - and this accounted for almost a third of all the money spent on the search - was that the official searchers prefaced all work with  bathymetric scans.

The experts to be contracted by Project370 have advised that bathymetric pre-scanning is not needed for the initial target area. This means they can start sonar scans withoudelay and deliver maximum bang for the buck.

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Project370's proposed survey contractor - Williamson and Associates - has a proud record of achievement completing difficult surveys.
Initial survey area: That we are going to this initial survey area is due to the work of an unassuming US statistician and problem-solver called Mike Chillit. He has been looking at this problem for several years, all on his own time and cost. Mike has made use of the widest range of data available on tides, ocean currents and satellite maps. Using drift data taken from the hundreds of oceanic bouys in the world's oceans he plotted several factors to arrive at a relatively small area from which all the debris items must have originated.

Further south, say the data models, the debris would have been all over Aistralia's western beaches. This has not happened. Not one bit has been found there.

Further north and it would have gone to South East Asia. Again, nothing has been found there.
What makes us doubly sure this area makes sense, is that other scientists who have cross-checked the data, or who have tackled the problem from a clean sheet point of view,  have come to similar general conclusions.

So we are convinced it makes sense to go there first.

 Sea search Phase One: Ocean Survey
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Newest technology: WA30 survey system we intend to utilise, scans a 6km wide swathe of seafloor at high resolution in every pass
After reviewing the resumes, equipment, capabilities and experience of the world's deep-sea ocean survey firms, Project370 has identified a company with whom it will partner to conduct the initial, deep-sea sidescan sonar survey of our first target area. In short, this firm is without peer in the realm of ocean surveys.

Extremely favourable quotations have been provided and a good deal of co-operative work has already been undertaken.

Now, the next step is to actually get out to sea and deploy the sidescan equipment.

This is where the big money - although not nearly as much as has been committed to date by the good people of Australia via their government but more than our group of volunteers can shake from our piggy-banks - is needed.

Feeding the ships and those sailing them, as well as keeping their gadgets powered-up long enough to search the entire area likely to contain the aircraft will cost roughly US$4 million.
Hence the need for a crowd-funding campaign to make the boats sail.

Once the sonar survey has been completed and targets identified which are most likely the remains of the missing aricraft, the project will then move to phase two of the physical search.

Read more - Why phase two is needed and how it will work

The Costs:
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Project370 offers, we believe, the most cost-effective solution to the problem of locating flight MH370.
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As this is a volunteer initiative with minimal costs, virtually every dollar raised will actually go towards the search at sea.
All operating costs of the foundation to date have been covered by foundation volunteers digging into their own pockets (If there is anyone out there who wants to fund some of these operating costs - or even buy us a meal or two on the odd occasion - you are welcome to get in touch!)

So? How much do we need to feed the boats, the crews and the high-tech equipment for the two phases of our search?

Phase one: US 4 million - Yes, indeed, Only US$4 million.

Phase Two: US$ 2.5 million (perhaps less as we will be pretty sure of the area to which to sail...) This figure will be updated on the completion of Phase One.

This needs only 4 000 planetary citizens to give us US$ 1 000 each. Or, of course, a few thousand more to give smaller amounts.

Every donation - even as little as US1.00 - will contribute towards the success of this project.
When taken in context - especially of the more than US$ 200 million already spent on the search - this is a really small additional commitment from the citizens of the world towards  ensuring the safety of future airline flights and bringing peace of mind to the relatives of the passengers of flight MH370.
 

Also recent media releases, via Project370:

Quote:Project370: Media Release Archive
 

This page contains links to PDF files of media releases issued by the project.
Note of caution in a social media driven world: Unless it's here or on this website, any other news and commentary about the accident or project which you may have seen attributed to the project, did not come from Project370.
3 March 2017: MR001 - Project370 volunteers send condolences to MH370 next of kin.
3 March 2017: MR002 - Project370 volunteers hope to locate wreckage of flight MH370.
3 March 2017: MR003 - Project370 details proposed approach towards finding MH370.
4 March 2017 - MR004 - Project370 clarifies stance on various MH370 accident theories. 

 
Good cause, good plan, reasonable costs, reputable firm,  now's the time to get behind Project370... Wink
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MH370 - 3rd Anniversary News.

1st Ventus from a 'criminal act':
(03-08-2017, 12:31 PM)ventus45 Wrote:  
Then of course, there is this.

"Politics & Diplomacy" trumps all

(no pun intended).

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[*]Next via Airline Ratings Prof Patti from UWA nails down lat/long for MH370:

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Geoffrey Thomas - Editor-in-Chief
07 Mar 2017
On the 3rd anniversary of its disappearance the University of WA says it has the location
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UWA debris map.

The University of Western Australia, which predicted the landfall of debris from MH370 well over two years ago, has identified a precise location of where it believes the Boeing 777 crashed on March 8, 2014.

On the eve of the third anniversary of  the plane's disappearance with 239 aboard, UWA’s Professor Charitha Pattiaratchi, said that its reverse drift modelling put the location of MH370 “at Longitude 96.5 E Latitude 32.5 S with a 40km radius.”

This UWA location is at the northern end of a new area of 25,000sq km identified late last year by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau as the most likely impact point for MH370.

READ: MH370 search must resume

That new area was arrived at through an independent analysis of the satellite data and the drift analysis from the CSIRO and is close to what is called the 7th arc and bounded by latitudes 33°S to 36°S.

The ATSB and its partners have spent over two years searching an area of 120,000sq km in the Southern Indian Ocean which was based on the hourly satellite communication with the Boeing 777 whereas the new areas of interest overlay reverse drift modelling from the debris finds on the 7th arc. 

“Of the 22 pieces of debris found the location of 18 were predicted by the UWA model,” said Mr Pattiaratchi.

Despite the new analysis from the Canberra meeting, released in ATSB’s First Principles report in December,  Federal Transport Minister Darren Chester, on behalf of the Chinese and Malaysian governments killed off the search.

Mr Chester said the new area identified was not specific enough, which provoked ridicule from around the globe.

The parties involved in the ATSB-led search for MH370 include the British and US crash investigation agencies, Rolls Royce, Boeing, Thales of France, Inmarsat of the UK and the CSIRO.

The ATSB said in December that “the participants of the First Principles Review were in agreement on the need to search an additional area representing approximately 25,000 sq km.”

It added that “based on the analysis to date, completion of this area would exhaust all prospective areas for the presence of MH370.”

Also exhausted is debris hunter Blaine Gibson, who announced last week that he had given up his one-man crusade to find MH370.

Mr Gibson has found over 20 pieces of suspected debris but has received death threats and been accused of planting debris.

Recently Mr Gibson said he was disgusted at the attitude of the Malaysian government in calling off the search and its reluctance to pickup debris he had found. 
“ It’s comical, and it’s tragic,” Mr Gibson said.

The relatives of the victims of MH370 have announced a crowd funding campaign to raise US$15 million to continue the search.

- See more at: http://www.airlineratings.com//news/1080...1R8pZ.dpuf


[*] “at Longitude 96.5 E Latitude 32.5 S with a 40km radius.”  - Perhaps with a small donation or two from the UWA academia the Project370 crew can swing past Prof Patti's X-marks the spot?? - Just saying... Rolleyes

[*]"..Mr Chester said the new area identified was not specific enough, which provoked ridicule from around the globe..." Blush

Speaking of Minister Chester, on the 3rd anniversary of MH370, his press office has been particularly active today Huh :

Quote:MH370 National Memorial Service

St John's Cathedral, Brisbane
08 March
speech

MH370—Third Anniversary
Today marks the third anniversary of the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 and its 239 passengers and crew from 14 different countries.
08 March
media release


Channel 9 Today
Subjects: Third anniversary—MH370 national memorial service
08 March
interview

Quote:..Karl Stefanovic: The victims' families have launched a campaign to fund a private search for the aircraft. Is that something the Government will be supporting?

Darren Chester: Well supporting in the sense, Karl, that we'll certainly provide the information that we've already gathered over the 120,000 square kilometre search area. So that information will be available to anyone who decides to conduct a further search. We've got to keep in mind, Karl, this is a very challenging area to search. We're talking about a section of ocean which is 2600 kilometres off the coast of Western Australia, we're talking about ocean depths in excess of 4 kilometres, up to 6 kilometres deep. It takes very specialised equipment to undertake that type of search effort. So I'm not going to stand here today and tell people they shouldn't be conducting further searches or supporting a private fundraising effort, but it would be a very challenging search for the private sector to take on by itself...
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MTF? Definitely I'd say..P2 Shy
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Mark D Young on Project370.

Via South African publication Politicsweb (online):

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Finding Flight MH370

Mark D. Young | 08 March 2017

Mark D. Young on a volunteer project to track down the missing Malaysian airliner



Newly launched volunteer Project370 will test our humanity and commitment to aviation safety.

Three years ago on 8 March 2014, a Malaysian Airlines System Boeing 777-200 registered as 9M-MRO, took off from Kuala Lumpur with 239 people aboard for a routine flight to Beijing.

This route was normal, almost rote. Had it landed at 6.30am in China, the passengers would have gone their various ways and the world would not have been too aware of the route, flight nor aircraft type.

Sadly, most of humanity have come to know the flight number as the aircraft never made it to its destination. It is missing, declared crashed with the loss of all aboard. The wreckage, however, has not yet been located.

As the third anniversary of the accident comes and goes, however, it seems it has been forgotten.

Officially, in late January 2017, the lead investigators from Malaysia announced that the fruitless, $200 million sea search had been “suspended” pending any new and credible evidence of the aircraft's whereabouts.

It is now almost universally accepted that the aircraft was not found by the search teams as it simply was not as far south in the Indian Ocean as the initial electronic satellite data had determined.

Subsequent to the area to be searched having been defined, floating debris began washing up on the western shores of the Indian Ocean. As with any good detective story, the physical evidence is usually the best lead to follow. And so it has turned out to be.

For many months prior to the suspension of the search, however, a loosely formed group of aviation insiders, meteorologists, retired accident investigators, statisticians, legal professionals and aviation writers like myself had been gathering as much factual evidence as possible about the accident and sharing ideas regarding the most likely location of the remains of the aircraft. Following all the physical evidence, which also included reported debris sightings from search aircraft nearly a month after the accident, many, many roads have led to a relatively small, specific area of sea.

Spurred by the suspension of search efforts, it was decided to formalise the group into a registered non-profit called Project370 Limited. The group is looking to crowd funding models to finance a survey of this new search area.

Due to the voluntary nature of the group, it has no salary bill. The experience and professionalism of its volunteers, all working towards the goal of finding the aircraft, has also shown that it has the advantage of little of the inertia of official, government efforts.

The project team has worked with the most experienced sea survey engineering firm in the world and has a firm quote of only US$4 million to thoroughly scan the area it has under consideration with the most up-to-date proprietary equipment unique to the particular contractor.

Using electronic meeting technologies and other forms of internet co-operation this is truly a world-wide effort by numerous, concerned planetary citizens pooling their experience and skill sets who are intent on plugging the MH370 sized hole in the civil aviation and Boeing 777 safety record.

The obvious question is, why would such a group go to all this effort, gratis, if they are not family members of the passengers or crew?

Quite simply because, until this accident is properly investigated, it could, in theory, happen again.

And perhaps the next flight may have one of our family members aboard. In this era, there can not be any question of the world simply turning its back on the 239 passengers. The aircraft simply must be found.

So, in order to try and make a positive difference, Project 370 launched a website and fund raising exercise on Friday 3 March 2017.

If the millions of words posted on different websites about the driving need to solve the mystery were sincere, and just Five Dollars were to be donated by each of the authors thereof, the survey ships could be at sea within weeks.

It remains to be seen, however, if all the pontification and “they should”s will turn into action.

In effect, Project 370 offers humanity the opportunity to show its best nature and to bring a close to one of the greatest mysteries in aviation.

If the mystery remains unsolved, however, due to a lack of support of, as one un-connected aviation industry luminary commented on the project's twitter pages “...a well organised, transparent, accountable, expertly resourced and effective...” charity vehicle with which to complete the task, then humanity will have shown that its attention span – in real terms – is as fleeting as the morning mist.

It is time for ordinary people to show how extraordinary they can be by doing right by the 239 people lying at the bottom of the Indian Ocean.

The search must go on and we, as a planet, should be able to easily do this.
If we do not, then our much vaunted humanity, and our future as a planetary species, will be the poorer.

Read more at www.project370.org

Donation facilities are available on the website.

Follow the project on Twitter at: @Project370

Mark D Young is a South Africa investigative journalist and flight safety author. He is the project co-ordinator of Project370 Limited, a worldwide crowd-funded volunteer project set up to locate and identify the hull of MH370.
  

MTF...P2 Cool
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 Update 13/03/17.

Via http://airlineinsider.com.au/from-the-flight-deck
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MH370 -  www.project370.org


Further work by the independent group 'Project 370' has further narrowed the search area to a small area of the Indian Ocean off the Western Australian Coast. The team is made up of scientists and aviation experts has contracted deep ocean survey and recovery firm 'Williamson & Associates' (who found HMAS Sydney) to resume the search in the coming months

Via http://www.travelmole.com/news_feature.p...id=2026206
Quote:Published on Monday, March 6, 2017 
New MH370 search to be crowdfunded

Just days ahead of the third anniversary of the disappearance of MH370, a crowdfunding campaign has been set up to pay for a new search.
 
Newly created foundation Project 370 is behind the latest effort and consists of an international group of meteorologists, aviation safety consultants and other supporters from around the world.
 
Project 370 says the best hope for success is to check the area highlighted by US statistician Mike Chillit.
 
"Of all the possibilities we have evaluated so far, this area defined by Mike appears to be the most accurate. If that is empty, we hope to go on to further likely areas defined by other, less compelling evidence," said Project 370 member Mark D. Young.
 
The group's website went live before the weekend outlining its strategy to raise sufficient funds for a new search.
 
It hopes to raise an initial $4 million to deploy crewed ships with the necessary sonar equipment for the first phase and at least an additional $2.5 million to continue the search.
 
"We cannot just sit back and let the final resting place of 239 fellow human beings not be found. How they got there is a vital question that has to be answered for the safety of every airline passenger in the world," Young added in a statement.
 
MH370 went missing on the night of March 8, 2014, as it was flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. 

Via @Project370:
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@TracyPribb HI Tracy. IT guys don't sleep! On first screen next to amount, there is an option prior to PP log-in/card detail entry.  ^KF
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Dr Bobby Ulich provides valuable input to Project370


Via twitter today... Wink :
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#MH370 @Project370 @Jannilixious @MarySchiavo @sjhbajc  New paper explains why flight to SIO was unintended. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzOIIFNlx2aUUUVycGJLM21SX2c/view?usp=sharing
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Ps Link for Dr Bobby's latest paper: Interpretation of MH370 Satellite Data from 18:25-18:41 UTC
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Q&A courtesy Project 370 - Wink

Been busy but for Project 370 bona fides etc. the following is quoted directly from the Q&A section of their website:
Quote:Q: What does Project370 think happened on board the aircraft?
A: The short anser is, nobody knows. That is why it is vital to find the aircraft so that a factual, evidence based investigation can tell us what happened and steps can be taken to prevent it ever happening again. In this regard, this media release may be useful: MR004

Q: Who has control over the funds donated?
A: Project370 founding charter sets out its charitable structure. Its company paperwork is governed by the laws of Washington, DC, USA. It has applied for section 501 © registration with the IRS of the USA for tax-exempt status. As a formal entity it has to follow strict federal laws in regard to donations and auditing which provide for rigid oversight.

The company directors will execute decisions, which, by law, have to be in the best interests of the company and which adhere to the the founding charter to disburse funds when appropriate and required.

Q: So, who and how can Project370 pay from donations?
A: The founding charter of Project370 states clearly that only legal fees for setting up the firm (or as may be needed to defend the firm), the sidescan survey cost, ROV contractors and/or ICAO may be paid from funds donated to the company. To affect any transfer, all directors need to approve such a transfer and it must be done according to generally accepted accounting practices with a full audit trail. All financial records will be placed on this website on a regular basis.

Q: Will any volunteers gain benefit from donations?
A: No. All volunteers are just that. Unpaid volunteers. There is no lawful way in which any volunteer may be paid by Project370 limited.

Q: Are any of the volunteers relatives of those aboard the aircraft?
A: Currently, no. Project370 has reached out to family members to assist in the project but, as yet, no relatives are officially part of the project team or management. Any relative, however, is welcome to get in touch.

Q: Why are the project volunteers doing this?
A: To complete the aviation accident record. Without answers as to what happened to this flight, nobody can guarantee it cannot happen again. If there ever is a next time, anyone from our families - including ourselves - could be on board. We cannot sit back and do nothing to resolve this dilemma.

Q; What if a corporate entity wishes to make a donation but prefers to pay into the charity's bank account?
A: Please contact the donations office on donations@project370.org to make arrangements.

Q: Isn't a search like this out of the abilities of a bunch of private sector folk - Surely its best left to governments?
A: Not true. The official search at sea made use of a private sector survey firm working to contract. Project370 intends contracting the world's most capable firm with the best suited equipment for our survey. The governmental efforts could have hired them as well. They didn't. As to the data processing and other work needed for such searches, it is significant to note that the in-depth data analysis made by our statistician is now being validated to a large degree by newer, official estimates of the aircraft's location.

Q: What if the aircraft did not crash at sea?
A: We want to find it. In the extremely unlikely event that it is not on the ocean floor, our surveys will determine that. We will then look at other possibilities.

Q: How will you retrieve the black boxes?
A: Project370 has no intention of touching anything on the aircraft. It certainly has no intention of retrieving the flight recorders. The location of the aircraft, when found, will be given to the lead investigator in Malaysia. It will certainly be "new and compelling" evidence. They can then continue the investigation - including retrieval of the flight recorders, from there.

Q: What has the project cost so far?
A: That is difficult to answer accurately. Each member has been spending their own money on various things. A quick round-up from 17 members seems to indicate that they have collectively spent roughly US$35 000 between them on direct costs of their involvement, informally and formally, in the search for MH370 during the past two and a half years. However, that is all prior to the Project being formalised. The actual Project370 set-up costs are in the region of US$8 500.

Q: Who will pay for travel by members of the project?
A: No travel is needed. All meetings and communication is conducted on the internet. If a project member wants to travel anywhere, that's their own matter and they have to pay for that themselves. No jollies on donor money, that's guaranteed.

Q: How can we be sure you are really set up as you claim and have access to the survey technology you mention?
A: We have made full disclosure of details of legal advisors and proposed contractors on thefoundation information page. Nothing is hidden and all aspects are verifiable.

Q: Why does the ICAN register show the project370 org domain as belonging to a South African ISP?
A: The project co-ordinator is a South African. He secured a very favourable deal for registration and hosting of Project370's web services from a local ISP. The original registration was in his name. It has now been transferred to the ISP pending transfer to Project370 Limited. Once the tranfer is complete, the ICAN register will be updated.

Q: So surely the web hosting and other such costs will come from donations?
A: No. These are being covered by a sponsor and only amount to US$5.00 per month including annual domain registration.

Q: Previous crowd funders failed to raise much more than US$100 000. How will this be different?
A: Project370 is aware that a previous campaign (totally unrelated to Project370 or any of its officers or volunteers) in 2014 failed to meet its target. The lesson drawn was that no such project could be successful on public donations alone ( you are welcome to please prove us wrong!). Furthermore, there needed to be formal structures and full accountability in place - which is the only manner in which we would have established Project370 in any case. Lastly, a targeted marketing and donation campaign has been planned with the assistance of marketing specialists. So we have accountability, transparency, a formal legal structure, technical expertise and a thoroughly worked-out plan of action.

Q: What if you never get enough money to go to sea - who gets my donation?
A: A valid question. We built it - we cannot force the world to make it happen. In the unlikely event that insufficient donations are found to complete the task we have set, then any and all donations to that point will nevertheless go towards flight safety. Project370's charter states such funds are to go to ICAO for the furtherance of over water tracking technology to be used on civilian airliners. So either way, you are contributing to the improvement of aviation safety through your donation.
And from Project 370 on twitter today: https://twitter.com/Project370/status/84...4230608896
Quote:Project370 will soon be publishing a summary of all main theories presented to us, with analysis and search priority ranking for each. ^AS

Cheers P2 - Wink
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Joining dots on Hood threat & obfuscation of MH370 - Huh

References from the Aunty Pru MH370 boards:

(04-20-2017, 08:49 AM)Peetwo Wrote:  
(04-20-2017, 05:57 AM)kharon Wrote:  Seemed like a good idea – at the time.

'Iggins - "Ms Weeks said she was so ¬enraged by Mr Hood’s decision that she was inclined to take up an offer from Brisbane barrister Greg Williams to work pro bono to use every legal avenue available to force him to release the documents."

I have a modicum of sympathy for the plight of Ms. Weeks and the rest of the MH 370 world and the last thing I’d ever want to do is crush their hopes; but a word of caution is needed. The ‘legal’ road is not the best route. Time and time again challenges to the system which protects the minister, the departments and the safety agencies have failed. The Acts and regulations alone are designed with exactly this purpose in mind; in short, they are not a level playing field and the goalposts are moveable feasts. It is, I believe, also fair to say the costs in both time and money would almost match the cost of mounting a new search.

No intention of dashing good intention; just well meaning words of caution. IMO, this time quite humble, the best way of confounding the ‘system’ is to find the aircraft; or, at least present overwhelming evidence of where it is. The first hurdle to that is of course, the lack of information; which the government will not release.

Essentially, we are no better informed today than we were the night 370 disappeared. It may well be that there is, in reality, no useful information available. That said, I would like to know why that information cannot be released. The TSI is a very powerful Act, invoking national security, heavily supported, politically, legally and by the vested financial interest which feed off it. A tough nut to crack – even before the international political interests weigh in.  

The legal challenge route is probably the last avenue I’d choose to travel so long as there were other options. I’ve no alternate route to suggest, just trying to prevent hopes and expectations being dashed yet again. The solution is of course to have the information released. There can be no valid reason for the Malaysians not doing so. Essentially, it is their aircraft, their accident and their investigation; if anyone is to be held to account it is them.  Perhaps the Chinese government will lend some weight to a request for information; start there.

Toot – toot.

Media references -   Rolleyes

First via 'that man' and the Oz:
Quote:ATSB ‘looks guilty of cover-up’

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The refusal of authorities to release documents on the MH370 search makes them ‘look more guilty’ of a cover-up.

Quote:Australian and Chinese families of those who died on Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 yesterday expressed outrage at Australian authorities’ refusal to release crucial documents, with an Australian widow saying it made them “look more guilty” of a cover-up.

Danica Weeks, whose husband Paul perished when the flight went missing three years ago, called on Australian Transport Safety Bureau chief commissioner Greg Hood to reverse his decision to reject a freedom of ­information request from The Australian. “Who are they trying to save face for; is it the Malaysians or the ATSB?” Ms Weeks, who lives on Queensland’s Sunshine Coast, said yesterday.

Mr Hood upheld another ATSB officer’s decision to not ­release opinions of an international team of experts about satellite data which the bureau claims support its theory that MH370 went down in an unpiloted crash with the flight crew incapacitated.

The ATSB relied on what has become known as the “ghost flight” and “death dive” theory to design the strategy for its failed $200 million underwater search for the aircraft.

Many aviation experts claim the search could never have succeeded because the ATSB’s “unresponsive pilots” premise was wrong, and suggest instead that captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah ­hijacked his own aircraft and flew it to the end and outside the search zone.

The Boeing 777, with 239 ­people on board, deviated about 40 minutes into a scheduled flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8, 2014, when its radar transponder was turned off and radio communications ended, with automatic satellite tracking data showing it ended up in the southern Indian Ocean.

Ms Weeks said she was so ­enraged by Mr Hood’s decision that she was inclined to take up an offer from Brisbane barrister Greg Williams to work pro bono to use every legal avenue available to force him to release the documents.

“It is our loved ones, and it ­affects the whole flying public,” Ms Weeks said. “The Australian taxpayer paid a significant amount for the search; surely we have the right to know.”

The association representing families of Chinese MH370 victims issued a statement noting the ATSB’s general manager for strategic capability, Colin McNamara, originally refused the FOI request on the basis it could “cause damage to the international relations of the commonwealth”. The families said they believed this formed a pattern in which Malaysian authorities “have something to hide”, and Australian authorities were assisting them to this end.

In justifying his rejection of the FOI application, Mr Hood wrote “the activities of the ATSB with respect to assisting the Malaysian investigation are covered by the Transport Safety Investigation Act” and the documents sought had been classified as restricted.

&.. via IBTimes... Wink

Will MH370 Ever Be Found? Missing Flight Details Won’t Be Released

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www.ibtimes.com - Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 disappeared in 2014 on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, but no closure ever came for the families of those on board. An extensive, multi-country search mounted fo...

(04-20-2017, 08:18 AM)ventus45 Wrote:  "K", to my reading, in your post [url=http://auntypru.com/forum/-Less-Noise-and-More-Signal?pid=6855#pid6855]#373, you seem to have adopted a line that effectively says, "let it rest".  

I can not agree.  

I do not have the time to reply in full now, as I have a full week ahead, and have to get moving, but put quickly, this was clearly a crime in my view, not an accident, no way it was a "bona-fide" accident, and all the governments know it. They clearly know what that crime was, why it was committed, and who the perpetrators were, and that is the "secret" that Hoody is "protecting".  

As for the suggestion that China should push for the release of information, I have to laugh, sorry. The manifest fact is that China has had a policy of "studied indifference" to the whole MH370 saga since the day the IL-76's flew back home from RAAF Pearce.  That fact is "telling".

The "unlawful death" of six of his fellow citizens, two from NSW, two from Queensland, and two from Western Australia, seemingly does not figure in Hoody's calculus, or anyone elseses in Canberra for that matter, which is starly in contrast to the attitude they adopted to MH17. Have you never wondered "why" such a contrast ?  It is not as simplistic as "it was obviously shot down".

Finally, your line on "the law" may need revision, because as I understad it, it is a crime in and of itself to withhold information of murder or unlawful death from the "appropriate police" authorities. Perhaps that is the real underlying reason, why some ATSB "insiders" apparently want to speak out (as was reported / suggested), basically to protect themselves from eventual prosecution ?  It would explain why Hoody has clamped down so hard ?  A tactic of silencing the troops by countering one threat with another of equal or greater potential retribution ?

As witnessed above, currently there is much finger pointing, hand wringing, consternation and condemnation; on the ATSB's 'Hooded' threat to it's employees and attempted obfuscation of the Australian's FOI request for the recorded opinions of the various MH370 SSWG participants.

L is for? - liability... Dodgy
 
 To help contribute to the healthy, rational debate steadily evolving on the why's and why not's, of this bizarre attempt by the ATSB to O&O the MH370 NOK & followers continued quest for answers; the following is IMO a balanced opinion blog piece from Project 370's Mark D Young that is worth taking the time to read and absorb... Wink

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MH370 Freedom of Information games – some thoughts

I, as many reading this blog may know, have been intimately involved with the processes surrounding aviation safety and accident investigation for a little more than three decades.

I have spent countless hours in archives reading investigator's notes, final reports and the media articles surrounding the accidents detailed therein.

It has been my privilege to speak to thousands of family members, colleagues of crews, the safety officers of the airlines that have experienced airliner tragedies and the official investigators who have re-created the events in each case.

I have likewise spent well in excess of a thousand hours on flight decks witnessing in-flight procedures and processes. I have been allowed, in many cases, to discuss tragedies with crews who knew the pilots of accident flights.

During this period of involvement with the inner workings of the processes of flight safety around the world, there has been, since the 1980s, an ever present hum of distraction mentioned by airlines, authorities and crews about the entire process of getting to the simple truth about various airline tragedies.

This hum originates from the ever present activity of an army of dedicated legal practitioners who lurk on the fringes of any aircraft crash. Almost without exception any aviation accident, fatal or not, will have, as a consequence, a flurry of legal actions following in its wake seeking to exact the maximum possible number of Dollars in punitive damages for even the smallest alleged error or oversight.

It is my experience that relatives do not, in the first instance, want to go this route. They simply want to get simple, direct answers about the loss of their loved ones. Perhaps the lack of these answers as time passes – in this case more than three years - and the evasive language used by those who one would expect to be best placed to provide them, leads to frustration. This frustration can easily morph into anger where, as here, there appears to be a lack of official interest in even finding the answers. I can understand that this anger will need to find an outlet in wanting to make someone, anyone, pay for the hurt and sense of futility that builds up.

While everyone has the right to approach the courts if they feel they have been wronged, it is my view that this punitive pecking at the bones of tragedy has, as I have said before in my accident investigation books, ultimately had a negative effect on the prime goal of accident investigation in general.

In this case, I believe it has, sadly had a singular, unforeseen outcome.

The ultimate goal of investigations is the full and open disclosure of all facts involved, no matter how unpalatable they may be to the operators, regulators or others involved in any manner with the accident flight. These facts are then used to develop procedures which prevent a recurrence of the accident

We who live in the modern world, however, enjoy a misconception – generated in part no doubt by the ability to freely communicate with other people anywhere around the world – that information must and will be free and easily obtainable. In fact, we demand it in outraged Twitter and FaceBook posts on a daily basis.

When anything is not made available, there will, understandably, be accusations of conspiracy and cover-up. When that information pertains to the how and why of a loved-one's passing, it can be particularly hurtful. I can fully understand the rage some may feel.

I personally feel all information affecting any planetary citizen should be available to you if it concerns yourself or a departed family member.

However, experience has taught that this logic is not reciprocated by officialdom.

This is, sadly, why I think this is so.

We, as ordinary citizens, cannot have full knowledge of the various regulations and protocols in place in every jurisdiction on the planet. By the power invested in us by Twitter and FaceBook, however, we act as though we are the ultimate sheriffs of truth and accountability.

Aviation regulators, airline owners, officials and government ministers tend to view the world differently.

It has been my experience – particularly where airliner tragedies are involved – that the ever present prospect of lawsuits has placed a choke-hold on the willingness of official bodies to release data related to accident flights as and when it is available. Nobody wants to be seen to be the one that made a slip-up and opened the hornet's nest of litigation. Worse still, they do not want to have their careers limited by inadvertently leaking information that may provide a key bit of data upon which a court decision may turn.

To this end all statements made, or any data released, will first be referred to the corporate or departmental legal advisers who will look at it word for word to see if there is any possibility of any of it being construed in a negative manner and leveraged in court to extract huge amounts from the ones holding the data.

Any statements that are issued in the interim are always couched in vague terms. We are always urged to await the final report. Basically, officials will say nice things making us think something is being done while, at the same time, they are actually kicking for touch in the hope that the final report will get finished so that they can wash their hands of the matter and we will all go away.

The final reports we see will have been sent back and forth between the airline, the manufacturer of the aircraft, the air traffic bodies through which the flight passed, the investigators and countless other affected and interested bodies. Each will have their legal team go through it to ensure nothing legally compromising to their specific interests is in the final publication.

As each step takes place, the vacuum left in the world's expected, instantaneous flow of information is filled with supposition, half-truth and, more often than not, plain guesswork. Usually, the self affirmation feedback loop of social media will serve to amplify and distort the guesses into fantastic facts in such a manner that, even when released in the final report, the actual truth can never be accepted for what it may be.

When the mundane facts in the final report cannot live up to the preceding hype, one can understand that more confusion will be sown and more anger will bubble up.

In this matter I have no doubt that when it is released later this year, whatever it contains, the final report of the Malaysian authorities will be ripped to shreds again with accusations of conspiracy and cover-up on social media and the various internet fora where it is discussed every day.

This will feed back into the loop and so-on and so-forth.

I do not, therefore, find it at all surprising that all officials involved in this matter are, in spite of previous undertakings to the contrary, releasing the bare minimum of data until it has been legally sanitised – if at all.

All this being a round-about method of getting to the spur for this post: The current outcry about the apparent unwillingness of the ATSB to release certain documents regarding flight MH370 under a Freedom Of Information request.

Given the number of legal suits already underway in this matter, reading the reported statement by Mr Hood of the ATSB reveals one glaring and blinding line that tells me exactly why the request has been denied. It states quite unambiguously a concern that the information might be abused in court.

And this brings us neatly back to the damaging effect of punitive litigation on the whole flight safety process.

In my personal opinion, in this particular matter, the lawsuits already underway might have been launched too early. I fully accept, however, that this is only my opinion and I do not seek to make it prescriptive in any manner nor to find fault with those who are involved in litigation. I am merely sharing my thoughts and reasoning and I accept that I am not privy to the advice nor information which they may have on hand.

However, it is quite possible that the very act of filing these suits may have, in fact, served to temper any further willingness by the authorities involved, to locate the airliner.

Now this is no fault at all of the relatives involved in bringing these cases. Far from it. I am merely sharing my thoughts that the rightful litigious anger and frustration of those affected – who have every right to expect a humane and caring response from authorities to their cry for closure – may be the very pivot upon which the investigation is being hurried towards finality.

It may be nothing more than a simple and cold calculation of the odds and costs

As long as the wreckage has not been located, there is likely to be no factual method of the lawsuits being adjudicated one way or another. Any court will surely ask the plaintiffs "Where is your physical evidence?"

Given that suits have so far been filed against the airline (past and present), the government of Malaysia and by extension the ATSB, as well as the manufacturer, I cannot see any of those entities being overly keen to assist in finding the physical evidence. It may exonerate them. It may not.

After spending millions more of tax-payer Dollars (which in itself opens them up to claims of fairness and competence by other sectors of their populations) they may obtain evidence that lets them off the damages hook or they may find evidence that nails them to the wall.

As things are at present, the safest and potentially least costly route for them all to follow is to simply leave the status-quo unchanged and hope to blazes that the statistics apparently indicating that there is nothing tragically hidden within the design and systems of the Boeing 777 are correct.

While it may seem outrageous for such to be the case, to me it is the sad, coldly political, yet inevitable, consequence I expected borne from previous experience.

I would love to be proved wrong but I think we have already seen all the official data we are likely to see from authorities on this accident.

It's simply too financially and politically risky for anyone remotely involved with the investigation to do otherwise.

And that, above all, is a fact that can rightly make one angry.

Notwithstanding all this, I am still confident that the independent search for MH370 by Project370 will, once resourced, find this airliner as it is not dependent on the good will of any third parties to release data to the team members.

We've got enough information.

All we need now is enough money.

(If you wish to donate towards Project370 and assist iin finding the airliner click here )
        
(P2 comment - I pretty much concur with Mark's hypothesis for the 'passing strange' ATSB antics on denying the Oz FOI request (i.e. it is all about potential liability). I would also add that in the Australian context, with the saga of the attempted PelAir cover-up and the observation's of several high profile ATSB investigations since; that the ATSB has become the international and domestic top-cover agency of choice, when attempting to mitigate all potential future liability.)

By inference the Mark D Young blog creates a very strong argument for a) why the search needs to continue; & b) why it needs to be conducted by a fully independent private organisation/collective, that is not encumbered by the politics and self-interests of the tripartite governments and their agencies... Rolleyes  

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Project 370 update: All legal & further FAQs - Wink

Via project370.org website & twitter:

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As you will see, funds may only be used for the purposes of finding MH370 or aiding aviation safety in the future.
Here is our incorporation certificate
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Here are our articles of incorporation
Please note: This is the original filing which contains a typographical error of date. This does not, however, alter the fundamental fact that Project370 was incorporated to seek the location of a B777-200 registered as 9M-MRO. An amended filing is being prepared for re-submission and will be placed here once certified by the Superintendent of Corporations in DC.
 
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You can help by DONATING to our crowd-funding campaign or by Volunteering your specialist skills

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Pragmatic- as always.

As a professional and ‘interested’ party, I have empathy, sympathy and interest in discovering what happened to MH 370. But, that said, not nearly as much interest in, and discovery of ‘what really happened’. One need go no further than a cursory examination of ‘events’ to realise that this aircraft is not meant to be found. The abrupt disconnection of AMSA and the insidious disregard of the expert agencies AMSA relied on, to total dependency the one pony show of the government’s tame agency CSIRO is enough, standing alone, to raise eyebrows. This needs investigation, of the serious sort.

I wish Mike Chillit and Mark. D. Young well; from the bottom of my heart, I even offer prayers to pagan gods that it may be so. But, in friendship – I must say ‘good luck with that’. The more I read and delve into the ‘puzzle’ the more convinced I am that this aircraft is never supposed to be found. Someone, somewhere, knows that as well as I do. Whatever happened was, in one form or another, a very serious criminal act. Time will tell, and I hope I am proven wrong. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than for Project 370 to catch their fish on the first cast of the line.

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