P2, I was editing my post when you did yours. See the changes and the Pprune post referenced therein.
http://www.pprune.org/8851000-post700.html
Regarding the Boxes:
As I understand the specs, there is no conceivable reason for the boxes to be "unreadable".
The "ditch" was well within box survival specs, and although 6 years "might" disolve the box in a "beaker" of nitric acid, 6 years in seawater WILL NOT.
If it turns out that the ATSB claim in a few days time that the boxes are unreadable, I would be willing to call foul, and send in the Federal Police with an SAS Escort.
The question in my mind still is: "what was the real reason" for not recovering the cvr.
Dolan made out that the Nandi transmission would not be on the tape.
I contend that is irrelevant, because the Nandi tape should still exist, and diplomatic pressure could be brought to bear to get it, IF there is the political will. Cue Senators - Minister.
What occured in VH-NGA during the two hours of the tape may give valuable clues to what the crew got from Nandi, what they heard, what confidence they had in it, how they interpreted it, how it fitted into their "decisions".
It is unlikely, given the situation that the flight crew were in, that they just sat there fat dumb and happy as the minutes, and miles dragged on, for two hours plus.
There would have been discussion, and review of what information they had. That would be telling, and that is what we must know. Every word, every inflection of voice. The lot. It may result in the "fingers" being pointed in "other directions", not just the "crew". We need to know if that is the case, and I firmly suspect, that is the real reason why the ATSB wanted to leave the box in it's watery vault.
In any case, in the interests of CRM in "a tight spot", the full audio of this CVR "should" be released. Perhaps Dom and Chloe would be happy to agree now ?
http://www.pprune.org/8851000-post700.html
Regarding the Boxes:
As I understand the specs, there is no conceivable reason for the boxes to be "unreadable".
The "ditch" was well within box survival specs, and although 6 years "might" disolve the box in a "beaker" of nitric acid, 6 years in seawater WILL NOT.
If it turns out that the ATSB claim in a few days time that the boxes are unreadable, I would be willing to call foul, and send in the Federal Police with an SAS Escort.
The question in my mind still is: "what was the real reason" for not recovering the cvr.
Dolan made out that the Nandi transmission would not be on the tape.
I contend that is irrelevant, because the Nandi tape should still exist, and diplomatic pressure could be brought to bear to get it, IF there is the political will. Cue Senators - Minister.
What occured in VH-NGA during the two hours of the tape may give valuable clues to what the crew got from Nandi, what they heard, what confidence they had in it, how they interpreted it, how it fitted into their "decisions".
It is unlikely, given the situation that the flight crew were in, that they just sat there fat dumb and happy as the minutes, and miles dragged on, for two hours plus.
There would have been discussion, and review of what information they had. That would be telling, and that is what we must know. Every word, every inflection of voice. The lot. It may result in the "fingers" being pointed in "other directions", not just the "crew". We need to know if that is the case, and I firmly suspect, that is the real reason why the ATSB wanted to leave the box in it's watery vault.
In any case, in the interests of CRM in "a tight spot", the full audio of this CVR "should" be released. Perhaps Dom and Chloe would be happy to agree now ?