[thorn bird]

No, No, No:  Ferryman I have it, on good authority, there has been a contract let to a Fried Chicken outlet for the supply of chicken guts, I mean crystal balls and tea leaves are so, well so...passé. Beaker was always one who moves with the times.

[Gobbledock]

Ferryman;

"This theory is likely to be considered valid by certain MH 370 watchers, who have not, as yet, called in a clairvoyant to provide clues; which is surprising really, when you think about some of theories published"

Ferryman, here is a good conspiracy - Slugger Abbott brought in his 'ssssssh turn back the boats' policy around the time MH370 vanished. Perhaps 'he who is fond of pots of money', aka super sleuth and champion nude javelin thrower Beaker, is paying the boat people to go home via the 7th arc? A cheap cost saving initiative for finding the missing plane?

Or this one - Beaker is actually - D.B Cooper -!!!


The police sketch even looks like a young Beaker (before he started sporting the 1970's porno looking beard)! And it makes sense. Beaker and D.B Cooper both share an interest in aviation, an interest in face lotion, and an interest in using the abacus and playing with pots of money!

Sherlock, I believe we may have uncovered the true identity of D.Beaker Cooper??

[Kharon]

The excellent Grant Brophy has provided on Twitter the following links.   Thank you, kind Sir.  Have a choc –frog.

The sceptics and true believers, both, will find food for thought in the you tube video.   Did ET make a mid air pick up; or, is somebody buggering about with data?  I’ll leave it up to you.
 
ET rules @ Anty Pru - OK.....

[FelineNut]

|Developing| Nothing they told you was "Real" regarding #MH370. Inmarsat & others have used "nominal" & presumed methods. 

 "Ehh, What's Up Doc" Investigation Laughable!

The AuntyPru motto "Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error. Cicero" along with "The first method for estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look at the men he has around him. (Niccolo Machiavelli)" will ring many bells in this posting.

Recently, I was overwhelmed when I came back from a break to see the "mindless duck" was still in charge of not only the ATSB but oversight to the infamous Peter Foley who heads the MH370 investigation which in itself  "the investigation" is Laughable, I was overwhelmed with shock.

Let me shed light here in AuntyPru, the oversight of the persons who oversee these matters in aviation not only in Australia but Globally to see the overall picture of the MH370 circus clowns.

Jeopardy "What is a Fact"

• Somewhere in the Merchant of Venice, one of Shakespeare's characters is made to say: "his reasons are as two grains of wheat hid in two bushels of chaff, you may seek all day ere you find them and when you have them they are not worth the search".

• "We need nothing in the record or the briefs but the wheat, the chaff should be let go" and the Facts matter, Kneale v. Kneale, 67 So. 2d 233 - Fla: Supreme Court 1953. The MH370 wheat is so embedded & hidden in the chaff that no amount of argument or reading may reveal that it exist. Less chaff is more wheat! Also, the MH370 Investigation is currently based on LIES not Facts. A "Presumed Theory" on an Event is NOT Fact. "Where are YOUR Actual Facts" I have asked over and again.

• A fact is simple as defined or is it? Lets see the definition of a fact and I will leave this section to speak for itself and move on to the next issue as "facts are non-argumentative" and are "actual" and speak for themselves without debate.,
  

With that being said, I will begin addressing the issues that are of the AuntyPru motto in relation to Cicreo and Machiavelli, supra analogy as stated above. I do not go into this analysis unarmed.

In fact, Myron Hanch has allowed me to use his name in relation to the communications involved between the Independent "IG" Group, Myron and myself in a recent long ongoing discussion of the "actual" facts vs the "presumed theory".

Additionally, the analysis by the leading experts and Beaker; Foley; and the recent NOVA / PBS documentary "Why Planes Vanish" a 3-part series narrated by Miles Obrien all of which measures the intelligence of the ruler(s) that we dealing with and have entrusted surrounding the tragic event of MH370 on March 8th, 2014 is warranted.

It is well known that I have from the outset have not only been in search for the truth and the facts in this matter, but have exposed them time and again. Now it's time to show the International flying public exactly who and what we are dealing with that holds back the truth from being revealed. I have respectfully refrained from going head on publically to show these common errors that are the chaff that buries the wheat being the facts hidden deep, also known as the needle in the haystacks, however it is time to pull the wheat from the chaff or the needles from the haystacks. I state again as a reminder infra,

"Somewhere in the Merchant of Venice, one of Shakespeare's characters is made to say: "his reasons are as two grains of wheat hid in two bushels of chaff, you may seek all day ere you find them and when you have them they are not worth the search".

Jeopardy

• "What is an Arc Second?"
  

In the ATSB Inmarsat (ACARS) signal data logs can be found the instructions and header that identifies what "Inmarsat" believes to be the data interpretation. The logs can be easily viewed here:

https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/5185657/Up...ec2014.pdf

On page 2 of that pdf file it states the following,

• "The BTO is a value (in microseconds) relative to a terminal at a nominal fixed location. Only R-Channel messages are used."

In part this statement is correct and the remaining is vauge at best. I will explain briefly below.

"The BTO value in "microseconds" also known and abbreviated as us or uniseconds is defined as: "

• Definition: Microsecond

• The SI prefix "micro" represents a factor of 10^-6, or in exponential notation, 1E-6. So 1 microsecond = 10-6 arcseconds also know as the "Microarcsecond" 0.001 mas (0.000001 arcsecond) abbrivated as μas in radians 4.8481368 prad.

• The definition of a second is as follows:

• A second of arc or arcsecond is a unit of angular measurement which comprises one-sixtieth of an arcminute, or 1/3600 of a degree of arc or 1/1296000 (approximately 7.7×10-7) of a circle. It is the angular diameter of an object of 1 unit diameter at a distance of 360×60×60/(2pi) (approximately 206,265 units), such as (approximately) 1 cm at 2.1 km, or, directly from the definition, 1 astronomical unit at 1 parsec.

• Definition: Second

• The second (symbol s) is a unit for time, and one of seven SI base units. It is defined as the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 atom at zero kelvins.

So the arcsecond [is] the microsecond or "microarcsecond." It is one in the same, however when discussing this with the so called brightest minds, they reply in the following manner when presented with the facts on the matter in reference to the term and use of the "arcsecond" per the Boeing and Honeywell manuals for the FMC and tracking functions that "are" in the data logs.

The pot calls the kettle black below:

• Mike Exner @ Airlandseaman replies to the use of arc seconds:
  

• "Thank you for your interest in MH370. However, the BTO values are round trip measurements of time delay from the Perth GES to MH370 and return (both paths via the IOR spacecraft). They do not have anything to do with WMKK airport. The science is well known and it has been in use since Sputnik. So there is no question about how to interpret the values. I published the formula required to convert BTO to range 2 days after the log referenced below was published."

• Victor Iannello (@RadiantPhysics) replies to the use of arc seconds:
  

• "This contradicts all we know. I have no additional feedback."

• Dr. Bobby Ulich @DrBobbyUlich replies to the use of arc seconds:
  

• "BTO is not in arc seconds. It is a round-trip propagation time in microseconds between ground station & airborne terminal and back."

• Granted Doc took interest further thereafter on the other issues, but failed even deeper into the rabbit trap in reference to satellite velocity versus aircraft velocity, infa:
  

I have found the previous and following comments comical towards the indivuals in theory as they have not only defied the laws of physics but also said over and again and I quote statements on "actual" facts when presented having foundation are given the reply "it has been prepared by someone who has insufficient knowledge of the problem at hand."

That is the pot calling the kettle black, I would certainly say there. They didnt even know that the "microsecond and arcsecond" also know as the "microarcsecond" are one in the same.

There is much more on these issues and others below. At this point in the article, I ask "What do you [really] know?" There has only been "nominal" methods and "unreal" applications distorting the truth and facts with mathematical laws of physic being defied in "untrue" methodology in "extreme radical ideology."

The reason these issue are important are further explained below on the importance of the problem at hand and the "actual" facts being distorted from persons being the "ruler(s)" have prepared a theory, (using their words) "prepared by someone who has insufficient knowledge of the problem at hand."

Why is this important?

Let me shed more light on this issue here.

Again, on page 2 of that pdf file it states the following;

"The BTO is a value (in microseconds) relative to a terminal at a "nominal" fixed location. Only R-Channel messages are used."

The distinction between real value and nominal value occurs in many fields. From a philosophical viewpoint, nominal value represents an accepted condition which is a goal or an approximation as opposed to the real value, which is always present. Often a "nominal" value is "de facto" rather than an exact, typical, or average measurement

In measurement, a nominal value is often a value existing in name only; [1] it is assigned as a convenient designation rather than calculated by data analysis or following usual rounding methods. The use of nominal values can be based on de facto standards or some technical standards.

All real measurements have some variation depending on the accuracy and precision of the test method and the measurement uncertainty. The use of reported values often involves engineering tolerances.

One way to consider this is that the real value often has the characteristics of an irrational number. In real-world measuring situations, improving the measurement technique will eventually begin yielding unpredictable least significant digits. For example, a 1 inch long gauge block will measure to be exactly 1 inch long until the measuring techniques reach a certain degree of precision. As techniques improve beyond this threshold, it will become clear that 1 inch is not the real value of the gauge block length, but some other number approximates it.

In various subfields of engineering, a nominal value is one for which the "name" for the value is close to, but not the same as, the actual value. This reference can be found at  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_versus_nominal_value

So the issue is the [terminal] at a "nominal" [fixed] location vs a "real" [fixed] location. Therefore, being the "real" "[fixed] location and the "real" value always exist, we ask what is the "real" [fixed] location to take that measurement from?

Additionally, the "conversion" method and information provided by Inmarsat is also "nominal" in value as the "real" value is not used in the method.

So in order to use the "real" values [that always exist] vs "nominal" values we must find the "real" [fixed] location of the [terminal] to use the "real" values in FACT that are recorded in the ACARS logs aka the Inmarsat Signal data logs.

Keep in mind that Inmarsat conducted "nominal" values and methods versus using the "real" values. Any 5 year old can locate MH370 by using Google Earth and can grab a measurement using the "real" values of the BTO from the "real" [fixed] "terminal" location setting the unit properties to [arc seconds] aka microseconds or the "microarcsecond" and measure from the "real" [fixed] "terminal" location "being KL WMKK ATC tower" [NOT I3F-1] using the "real" face value of the BTO  as is exist for the arc circumference perimeter as shown in the logs.

Then of course the question remains what is the "real" value of the timestamp versus the "nominal" value and method used in application by Inmarsat being the "nominal" use is stated as the time of day or the hours in flight time. However, the "real" value is actually the Bearing or Heading "out" in Degrees from the "real" [fixed] location KL WMKK ATC tower, the center of the clock, and the "True Trac" Compass Bearing as the "hand" of the clock in direction to the "real" [fixed] Aircraft Location in "real" value of the BTO being measured in distance from the "real" [fixed] location.

In other words, the timestamp is a simple compass reading and 1º = 60 minutes or 1 hour, therefore you have 15º 16º 17º 18º 19º 20º 21º 22º 23º 00 or 24º 01 or 25º in Hour format being the "real" value of the timestamp.

For example: Grabbing a measurement using real BTO value of 18040 μas or Converted being 558km measured in distance from the "real fixed terminal location"  of KL WMKK at the timestamp of 00:10 or 24:10º in Bearing is roughly 6.60N 103.71E in the Gulf of Thailand  and South China Sea Territorial water boundary line in the "real" value and interpretation of the data signal logs.

The following location #1 in the yellow box below is the "real" [fixed] terminal location to conduct the appropriate method and apply the "real" BTO values to measure from KL WMKK ATC Tower or the "center" of the "clock" or cone and measured outward using the hour hand in Bearing / Heading to crash location in the Red Box as demonstrated below with additional information added, infra.

With that being said in a brief display, I will address the Inmarsat Ashton report so one can see where the missing Mode-S data has been hiding all this time and will come back to address the radar and a few other issues that need light shed in the matter for the NOK to finally get closure, if the "real" application is used vs the "nominal" [presumed] theories being currently applied in error. Less chaff is more wheat!

Jeopardy:

• "What is the velocity on Inmarsat 3F-1 Satellite and is it constant or not and does it matter?"
  
• "What is moving and shifting in position so rapidly?"
  
• "Where is the Mode-S data"?
  
• "How did Beaker become so quaked on this issue?"
  

I have made many jokes about cracking the Inmarsat Egg and the experts aka the "eggsperts". So let me show you like a 5 year old how to crack that egg wide open and shed light on what that data actually is in fact.

We must start with the Ashton report which is the entire basis to search the SIO in error which can be found here:

• http://journals.cambridge.org/download.p...e8bd98cb77
  
• (I am not sure, but I think ATSB has even "dumped" this report off "their" website in relation to MH370, I couldn't find it there today?)
  

|Satire| It's about time to stick a popsicle in Inmarsat's a$$ to cool off this report to shed light on the "actual" facts in the investigation vs "nominal" [presumed] methods when in fact the wheat [is] in the chaff. The needle in the haystacks will sooner or later stick that prick!


Starting with Page 10 Figure 8 of the Ashton Report as displayed below:


BELOW is CURRENTY being edited and worked -- having font issues -- stay tuned --


Table 4. Satellite Location and Velocity (ECEF). Time (UTC)

The above  speed values and ALT shift will be converted below to better shed light and understanding what is happening here and what they actually represent in "real" value vs "nominal" I will use the following to convert so you may also verify these values yourself http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/speed/km_sec.html

                 

    
 Satellite Location (mi/naut.mi)   5280 feet = 1 mile                        Satellite Velocity  (feet per minute / fpm)
                              X                  Y   (Altitude)                           Z              X                 Y′             Z (Altitude)
16:30:00    18122·9    23661.815       /  20561.555           828·5       425.2      −210.6      12,580
16:45:00    18124·8    23661.2            /  20561.015           884·2       417.3      −224.4      11,770
16:55:00    18126·1    23660.75861  /  20560.63715       919·2       411.4      −232.3      11,210
17:05:00    18127·3    23660.32371  / 20560.25918        952·5       405.4      −236.2      10,620
18:25:00    18136·7    23656.71976  /  20557.12743       1148·5     370.1      −230.3        5,295 

19:40:00    18145·1    23653.737       /  20554.536           1206·3      372         −181.1      -291.3
20:40:00    18152·1    23651.873       /  20552.916           1159·7      393.7      −151.6     -4,768
21:40:00    18159·5    23650.19536  / 20551.45788        1033·8      471.3      −149.6      -8,919
22:40:00    18167·2    23648.33125  / 20549.83801         837·2        415.4     −189         -12,460
00:10:00    18177·5    23644.2302    /  20546.2743           440·0        315        −297.2     -16,120
00:20:00    18178·4    23643.67096 / 20545.78834          390·5        295.3      −311        -16,380 


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Constant Values are in the Velocity of a Geostationary Satellite at 3.07 km/s (1.91 miles/s. So what is moving?



This along with the other equation can be used to solve for r and v . Upon solving, we only get the values that you have given. Thus, it is NOT possible for a geostationary satellite to be placed at any other height or with any other velocity. This reference can be further reviewed here http://physics.stackexchange.com/questio...-satellite




The following Video shows and Explains the Geostationary Orbit and Orbital Plane of the Celestial Equator vs the Equator being the I3F-1 Orbits the Equator in a Constant Velocity as demonstrated in the Video and hence appears as a wobble sliding North and South in a drift on the Equator however the North South Propulsion maintains the satellites position with North South Station keeping with minimal shift in a years time from the gravitational pull of the sun and moon in constant velocity however the inclination plane shifts and the earth rotates on the Celestial Equator throughout the day and the satellite in its Constant Velocity as illustrated in the above link and shown in the video with Minimal shift of 1º per year for 75 years back to the position it was placed into orbit from day 1, {if} the satellite had a lifespan that long, which it does not.

This article is still being processed and continues |developing| will be completed soon

On Coffee break -& rest my eyes - Much more to come "Here in the Post" edited through the day & night

Just wait, till see what happens to Ashton report and the Doc -- Ehh, what's up Doc --

NOTE: This story is developing and being updated throughout the AUS night as it is being written and a link created for AUS paper to post for a morning coffee and a great laugh that will make you cry foul! It will be completed  shortly. Thank you for your patients.

[P7_TOM]

‘Nut’ , G'day.  Always nice to have you with us, here on Pru.   Brophy puts up as good, as solid a hypothesis as any other. Bloody sight  better than most, supported by a logic which can, (at very least) be grasped (if not totally understood) by the more ‘practical’, analytical minds here.

IF (big if) the whole truth; and, nothing but the truth from the radar plots and actual's was ever ‘published’; well, maybe, perhaps, we could all  figure it out, for certain.   - Someone, somewhere knows.  The answers are  to be found (a) on the ground (popular favorite); or (b) from the collective (entire) radar trace analysis.  There is precious little else remaining; is there?

Anything else, without an air-frame, debris or a clear ‘sighting’ just feeds the hysterical, foolish, media to repeat anyone’s story .  IF (big if )  we were allowed the services of a real, independent  investigative reporter, un-shackled; this incident would have been sorted out, long ago.  

Alas.  Here we sit; still waiting; waiting for anything that would cause a serious accident investigator to stay awake at night.  From Day One, we have had Bupkiss to work with. In summary; we have nada, ziltch, zero, nutin; `ceptin guesstimation, spin, promises and miles of regurgitated press spin.  

Facts man, ain’t got none.   We have enjoyable, speculative theory by the ducking mile. BUT no facts.   We need ‘em.

Until then; ET rules – OK.

[Gobbledock]

As most would now be aware it seems likely that ET has dropped a piece of the aircraft off at Reunion Island. Hopefully testing of the piece will help determine whether she exploded mid-air due to a catastrophic failure, or whether there is bomb pitting, or whether she stalled and hit the water in a flat spin or whether she dived in nose first.

Either way it looks like ET didn't take the aircraft and nor is it at Diego Garcia.

R.I.P to all those lost and may you now complete your journey.

Doc

[Gobbledock]

Herr Beaker has popped up for fresh air. He chose Simply Marvellous Horse Pooh to expound his safety wisdom;

http://m.smh.com.au/business/aviation/mh...inr06.html

A part washing up at Reunion is "not inconsistent with what we know" from the bureau's modelling, the bureau's chief commissioner Martin Dolan said.

Oh Beaker, a trusty insider tells me that soon after the discovery of the wing component you and the Miniscule were both so excited that you almost had nocturnal emissions!!

Assclowns......

[Peetwo]

Here he is again today...FCOL! Well at least he only got one line??

MH370: Wreckage found on Reunion Island ‘very likely from a Boeing 777’

WHETHER the plane wreckage found on a tiny Indian Ocean island is part of missing flight MH370 could be determined in the next 24 hours.
 

The head of Australia’s air crash investigation team hopes the identity of the wreckage washed up on Reunion Island will be known at least before Sunday.

But the investigation efforts could be hampered by an active volcano on the south-eastern side of Reunion, which seismologists predict could soon blow.

Australia’s head MH370 investgator Martin Dolan said his team is in the hands of their French counterparts and Boeing, and can’t guarantee when the wreckage will be identified.

“There’s a part that does very closely resemble a specific part of a 777 aircraft and is therefore likely to be associated with MH370,” Mr Dolan, chief commissioner of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, told reporters in Canberra.

Australian investigators are leading a search in the southern Indian Ocean but have found no debris from the plane.

Federal minister for transport Warren Truss believes the wreckage on Reunion is a very significant development and Prime Minister Tony Abbott says it’s the most encouraging sign so far.

“Let’s hope this does turn out to be the first bit of specific evidence for the whereabouts of the plane,” Mr Abbott told Radio 2SM on Friday.

“It has been an absolutely baffling mystery until now.”

Later, Mr Truss told Sky News that even if the Reunion wreckage was confirmed to be part of MH370, it would not lead to a “refinement of the search area”.

“This piece of debris has come a very very long way,” he said. “We’re still going to have to rely on the satellite data to refine the (search) area. We’re confident we’re searching in the right place. If the aircraft is there and we pass over any wreckage, I’m confident we will find it.”



Close resemblance ... We will likely know this weekend whether this is part of MH370. Source: AP

Meanwhile, authorities are tempering expectations that a suitcase found on the same beach is linked to the missing airliner.

It washed ashore at the same location as the aircraft flaperon but as yet there is no confirmation the suitcase is linked to the earlier debris.

Johnny Begue, the man who found the suitcase, said it gave him shivers to think that the flotsam may belong to the missing passenger jet. He made the discovery while cleaning the beach and looking for a rock to crush spices.

Federal minister for transport Warren Truss said the suitcase was handed to police on Reunion and investigators had made arrangements to retrieve it.

“It may just be rubbish and there is no attached marine life to indicate that it’s been in the water for any great time, but it will be examined,” he told News Corp Australia in a statement.




Johnny Begue in Saint-Andre ... The remains of a suitcase found the day before on the same site where Johnny and his fellow association members also found a two-metre (six-foot) long piece of plane wreckage. Picture: AFP/ Linfo.re/Antenne Réunion Source: AFP

The two-metre long piece of plane wreckage found yesterday will today be sent to Toulouse in south-western France, where France’s BEA crash investigation agency will verify whether or not it belonged to the missing passenger jet..

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said the wreckage found on La Reunion was “very likely” from a Boeing 777 but it remained to be seen if it indeed came from MH370.




Closer inspection ... The debris will be sent here, the Direction generale de l’armement (DGA) facilities in Balma, near Toulouse. Source: AP


However, as expectations mount over the find, authorities are warning against jumping to conclusions.

“Whatever wreckage is found needs to be further verified before we can further confirm whether it belongs to MH370,” said Malaysian Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai.

Meanwhile a French military helicopter slowly circled above the island where the debris washed up.



The find ... Debris that washed ashore on La Reunion this week. (AP Photo) Source: AP



Looking for more ... A French helicopter flies over Reunion Island yesterday. Source: AP
 
THE discovery yesterday is the strongest indication yet that the $180 million search for the plane is being conducted in the right place.

Oceanographers and other experts said the discovery was “absolutely consistent” with drift modelling based around MH370’s likely resting place in the southern Indian Ocean.

A local journalist tweeted a photograph of the latest discovery and French language website Linfo.re reported that a gardener found the bag at the same site where a two-metre (six-foot) long piece of plane wreckage was found earlier.

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said the wreckage is “very likely from a Boeing 777”.

“Initial reports suggest that the debris is very likely to be from a Boeing 777, but we need to verify whether it is from flight MH370,” Najib said in a statement on his Facebook page.

As families processed the news, federal minister for transport Warren Truss called for a cautious approach until the debris could be identified.




Investigation begins ... Authorities move the debris from the rocky beach. (AP Photo/Lucas Marie) Source: AP

Australia has committed $90 million to the search, a sum Malaysia has promised to match.

So far, $76 million has been spent by Australia alone and the government has refused to commit to more once the current search effort is complete.

EXPERT OPINION: Could ocean currents unlock mystery?

Mr Truss yesterday described the discovery on Reunion Island as “interesting” and said Malaysian officials would lead the investigation.

Covered in shells and barnacles, the wing part was immediately assessed by experts as having been in the water for about a year.

Government officials on La Reunion said France’s civil aviation investigating authority BEA has been asked to co-ordinate an international probe into the origin of the debris.

A number printed on the debris could assist investigators who indicated it should only be a matter of days before they could confirm the flaperon’s origins.

US aviation safety consultant, John Cox, said it looked as if the wing had been broken rather than ripped off, consistent with the theory MH370 made a controlled ditch into the sea.

A Boeing spokesman said they were helping in any way they could.

“Our goal, along with the entire global aviation industry, continues to be not only to find the aeroplane, but also to determine what happened and why,” he said.

The Malaysia Airlines’ plane disappeared on March 8, 2014 on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, with 239 people on board including six Australians.

After vanishing from radar screens, the aircraft is thought to have flown for up to seven hours before running out of fuel over the southern Indian Ocean, about 2000km west of Perth.

The French Island of Reunion is 4000km from the current search zone but drift modelling showed it was possible debris had travelled that far.



Unlocking the mystery ... Part of an aircraft wing that washed up at Reunion Island. Picture: Supplied. Source: Twitter

Imperial College oceanographer Erik van Sebille said debris from MH370 would now be so dispersed, it was possible nothing further would be found on Reunion Island.

“The other thing is, because the ocean is so chaotic, it will be very hard to track back where this particular piece was 16 months ago,” said Dr van Sebille.

For families who have spent 509 days awaiting news of their loved ones, word of the discovery triggered mixed reactions.

Melia Burrows, whose parents Rodney and Mary were on board MH370 said she and her siblings were hopeful the discovery was related to the plane but they were awaiting official confirmation.

Bob and Cathy Lawton had been travelling with the Burrows, and daughter Amanda Lawton said the wait for answers was almost too much to bear.

“My sisters and I, we’re just a little bit confused but hopeful that it is an item from MH370,” she said.

“I guess we don’t want to be disappointed with the news that it’s not related. It really mixes up the emotion.”

The Melbourne wife of Malaysia’s Chong Ling, Jennifer Chong, said she “selfishly” hoped the debris was not from MH370.

“My initial response was “this cannot be it”,” said Ms Chong.

“I have waited 509 days to see Chong Ling again, alive.”

What an embarrassment...
Dear Minister Bring back Hattley and can you pleeez muzzle the Muppet...
MTF...P2

[Peetwo]

Is Truss distancing himself?

Overnight from the Weekend Oz - as you would expect - there was much coverage on the Reunion Island B777 flaperon discovery. However what I find passing strange is just how vocal & proactive Farmer Truss has been with the MSM and how he is not deferring (as is his usual practice) to his Mandarins & Minions for comment...

As an example see the following article from the Oz overnight:

MH370: Africa should watch for debris, says Warren Truss  

• by: BRENDAN NICHOLSON, ANNABEL HEPWORTH
  
• From: The Australian
  
• August 01, 2015 12:00AM
  

Brendan Nicholson

Defence Editor
Canberra

Annabel Hepworth

National Business Correspondent
Sydney

More drifting wreckage from Malay­sia Airlines Flight MH370 may wash up on Madagascar and along the east coast of Africa, says Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss.  

Mr Truss said yesterday that the discovery of a two-metre piece of aircraft wing on the French Indian Ocean island of Reunion made it important for the coastlines of the much larger island of Madagascar and other African nations to be examined.

“But that will be a matter for the French authorities and some of the African countries because that will be in their search zones and it would be their responsibility,” he said.

While Mr Truss did not name the nations debris might drift to, they could include Mozambique and Tanzania and possible South Africa, depending on ocean currents.

“But what this will do clearly is alert the world to the fact that it’s possible even after all of this time that wreckage could be washed ashore in parts of Africa or on islands­ such as Madagascar, and that anything that is sighted should be taken seriously,” Mr Truss said.

Tony Abbott said yesterday the find was “by far the most encourag­ing sign so far”. The Prime Minister said the government owed it to the families of those missing to find answers.

Mr Truss said there was strong evidence that the wreckage came from a Boeing 777. “That has not yet been confirmed, but the pictures that are available for people to examine are certainly consistent with parts from the wing of a Boeing 777,’’ he said.

The French were sending the section to specialists in Toulouse who may be able to ascertain whether it came from MH370.

They would look for clues as to what caused the crash, how the section broke away from the aircraft and if there was evidence of fire or other misadventure.

It was very important to bring some kind of closure to the families whose loved ones perished on the aircraft, Mr Truss said.

He said a travel bag found on the same beach as the section of wing was less likely to be from MH370 as it did not appear to have been in the water for long.

    
It could be with the significance of this discovery and with the French involvement, that the PM & Minister's advisers feel that proceedings need to be seen to be oversighted at a Government Ministerial level. 

With the French having custody of the flaperon, it would also now be prudent for the Abbott Govt to be seen to distance itself from the KL Govt. For the reasons why, perhaps we should reference the recent Ben Sandilands post:

Confirmation of MH370 wing flap discovery comes with consequences

Ben Sandilands | Jul 31, 2015 9:45PM |


The recent 'still praying for MH370' mural in Kuala Lumpur

There are consequences from the confirmation this evening by Malaysia’s deputy transport minister Abdul Aziz Kaprawi that the wing flaperon recovered from La Reunion in the Indian Ocean on Wednesday is from a Boeing 777.

The most obvious of these is that the general premises of the Australian managed and Malaysia directed sea floor search for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 are correct.

The jet with 239 people on board, did divert from its intended flight plan between Kuala Lumpur on 8 March 2014 over the Gulf of Thailand and after a period turned south and flew into the vastness of the south Indian Ocean until it ran out of fuel and crashed.

The flight lasted close to seven hours 39 minutes from lift off from Kuala Lumpur International until a last attempted computer generated ready-to-communicate sequence initiated from the 777 to an engine monitoring centre at Rolls-Royce in Derby in the UK via an Inmarsat satellite ended abruptly.

At that point the geo-synchronous satellite had to be about 44 degrees elevation above the horizon, meaning anywhere along the southern extent of what is called the seventh arc of possible locations for what is assumed to have been the point of impact with the ocean.

And the problem is that allowing for the wreckage to settle somewhere to either side of the line of possible impact points involves searching an enormous area of ocean.

The search priorities, in an area covering up to 120,000 square kilometres of sea floor, are framed by efforts to define the most likely combinations of speed, altitude, higher and lower level headwinds and tailwinds and crosswinds, and crucially a range of guesses as to exactly where over the eastern and close to equatorial parts of the Indian Ocean MH370 was when it finally turned south.

So far only 55,000 square kilometres of the search zones have been examined by deep level instrumented ‘towfish’, sonar scanning the sometimes very deep and complex ocean floor for the solid parts of the missing 777, including its landing wheels, engines, sections of fuselage and wing and tail or vertical stabiliser.

There are in some quarters, concerns that MH370 may have been passed over but not recognised by the sonar scanning equipment, although the capabilities of the search seem vindicated by the recent finding of a previously unknown shipwreck that appears to date back to the 19th century.

Even the starfish crawling over its anchor and scattered contents were visible in the images, built up by sound waves not visible light, as down there, and where the missing jet lies, there is no light, just an eternity of utter darkness.

Wherever MH370′s solid parts are, and they could include recoverable human remains and possessions, that site is also the source of any surface debris like the wing flaperon and some of the other items possibly from the missing jet, that were recovered this week from the north shore of La Reunion island,  which is near Mauritius.

One consequence of these discoveries, which may include bottles of water similar to those handed out to passengers on long flights, is that it is now impossible for Malaysia and Australia to abandon the search for the crash wreckage site, if, as some sources insist, both countries had already decided they would.

(The official lines has always been that the search would continue until the current search zone was exhausted, and then, if there was an absence of further credible leads, if would be called off. )

Another consequence is that France will be in control of the examination of any aircraft parts or personal items that might be recovered in or around La Reunion from MH370 as it has international treaty search and rescue or recovery sovereignty over those areas, just as Australia has for its search efforts in the south Indian Ocean.

Without putting too fine a point on it, the government lead by embattled Malaysia Prime Minister Najib Razak misled its search partners, including Australia, in the early stages of the saga by insisting that the search efforts be spread deeper and wider into the South China Sea and even as far as Kazakhstan when it knew full well, on the morning of 8 March, that MH370 had flown across the Malaysia peninsula.

Just why the authorities and government in Kuala Lumpur found it impossible to tell the truth about what they knew about MH370 from the outset remains a mystery, but on 1 May last year, the then acting transport minister Hishammuddin Hussein blew its cover with an astonishing post on his Facebook page.

The Najib Razak led government is this week wracked by a scandal over the alleged misappropriating of funds in a government investment body, with the PM looking as though he might lose control of the situation, or have to resort to extraordinary measures to retain it, and that involves further dealing with high level cabinet and party dissent.

With its credibility under fire over these issues, the matter of the Najib Razak government’s apparent inability to tell the world everything it knew about MH370 on the day of its disappearance demands resolution.  (Perhaps Foreign Minister Julie Bishop can make another plea to the UN security council for an impartial criminal investigation of MH370 as well as MH17, just for the sake of consistency.)

Which means that another consequence of the certainty that MH370 is on the floor of the south Indian Ocean-somewhere on it- is that Canberra is going to have to deal with the veracity of everything said by the current government in KL, and quite possibly, its successor, which might just possibly be more generous in its disclosures.

No aircraft has ever disappeared on a flight operated by a carrier of the size of Malaysia Airlines and seen such an indifferent and token response to its fate. Malaysia Airlines went back to bed. It only tried to call the sat phone in the cockpit twice. It never attempted to contact the massive amount of shipping under the flight path of the jet, nor to the west of Malaysia once it knew it had gone west.

The responsiveness of the airline and the authorities to MH370′s disappearance was so slack that the question has to be asked time and time again, what was know in high places in KL about this flight on the night of its disappearance?

A consequence of the certainty of this jet being in the south Indian Ocean is that these questions assume greater importance than ever.

And if somehow, some of those answers are to be found in what washes up on La Reunion, or lies in wait on the shores of Madagascar, they will be in a place where Malaysia can’t do anything about them.

    
MTF..P2

Ps. I would also like to think that Truss is placing some degrees of separation with Dolan. You will notice that Truss doesn't mention either Dolan or the ATSB in any recent media commentary?? 

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Old crusty head said;

“But what this will do clearly is alert the world to the fact that it’s possible even after all of this time that wreckage could be washed ashore in parts of Africa or on islands­ such as Madagascar, and that anything that is sighted should be taken seriously,” Mr Truss said.

That's probably the only sensible and logical statement that the lisping fool has said since his party won the election!

I would suspect this certainly isn't the last piece that will turn up, but I even more strongly doubt that it is the first piece to come ashore. Remember, old mate who found the piece was initially thinking of using it for some purpose around his hut. These ocean currents caress some of the poorest nations on earth, hence it would be quite possible that other wreckage has come ashore elsewhere already and possibly been taken by locals to be used in whatever way benefits them. It may be wreckage to us, but to a dirt poor Island nation any wreckage could be of tangible use. I still remember doing an audit in one of our Asian neighbouring countries where the locals had been pinching ULD's from the airport for years and turning them into makeshift houses in the shanty towns adjacent to the airport. So clumps of wiring, netting, seat covers or aircraft skin could be pretty handy.

I also remember the following warnings issued after the space shuttles exploded and souvenir hunters were nicking the wreckage;

Challenger 1986;

http://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/31/us/the...ebris.html

Columbia 2003;

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2003/...n.columbia

So I would think, perhaps even assume that some form of advertising campaign in or around these nations and/or islands might be of benefit if it hasn't already been done? Many of these people would not know that some of the beach trash they come across could actually be a vital clue as to what happened to MH370?

As P2 would say - certainly more to follow.

[Peetwo]

Old crusty head said;

“But what this will do clearly is alert the world to the fact that it’s possible even after all of this time that wreckage could be washed ashore in parts of Africa or on islands­ such as Madagascar, and that anything that is sighted should be taken seriously,” Mr Truss said.

That's probably the only sensible and logical statement that the lisping fool has said since his party won the election!

I would suspect this certainly isn't the last piece that will turn up, but I even more strongly doubt that it is the first piece to come ashore. Remember, old mate who found the piece was initially thinking of using it for some purpose around his hut. These ocean currents caress some of the poorest nations on earth, hence it would be quite possible that other wreckage has come ashore elsewhere already and possibly been taken by locals to be used in whatever way benefits them. It may be wreckage to us, but to a dirt poor Island nation any wreckage could be of tangible use. I still remember doing an audit in one of our Asian neighbouring countries where the locals had been pinching ULD's from the airport for years and turning them into makeshift houses in the shanty towns adjacent to the airport. So clumps of wiring, netting, seat covers or aircraft skin could be pretty handy.

I also remember the following warnings issued after the space shuttles exploded and souvenir hunters were nicking the wreckage;

Challenger 1986;

http://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/31/us/the...ebris.html

Columbia 2003;

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2003/...n.columbia

So I would think, perhaps even assume that some form of advertising campaign in or around these nations and/or islands might be of benefit if it hasn't already been done? Many of these people would not know that some of the beach trash they come across could actually be a vital clue as to what happened to MH370?

As P2 would say - certainly more to follow.

Prophet Gobbledock??

Cont/- With you guessed it MTF...




Gobbles I reckon the Chief Commissioner Muppet will be firing his tea leave lady & scrapping his crystal ball, ordering in a box of Smith's Crinkle Cuts to entice you to Can'tberra - Why??

Well have a look at this from the UK Daily Telegraph...

MH370: ''Plane seat'' found washed up on Reunion Island three months ago

Nicolas Ferrier says he came across the blue plane seat three months ago, but thought nothing of it at the time



By Harriet Alexander, in Saint Andre, Reunion
6:08PM BST 01 Aug 2015
 
Nicolas Ferrier barely gave the blue seat a second glance. As he carried out his daily patrol of the wild shores of Reunion, picking up debris from the jet black sands and giant boulders, it seemed to him like just another piece of rubbish – a bus seat, perhaps, or a hang glider’s chair.

“It wasn’t until Wednesday that it hit me what it could have been,” said Mr Ferrier, climbing off his BMX to speak to The Sunday Telegraph in the shade of a screwpine tree, overlooking the pounding surf. “It was probably part of that plane.”

Mr Ferrier spotted the seat in early May. And yesterday he told his story for the first time – up until now, no one but his wife has known about the find.

Nicolas Ferrier, Beach cleaner at Saint Andre, Reunion
It was, he explained, washed up on the mile-long stretch of coast which he monitors near Saint Andre, on the east of the Indian Ocean island. And last week the same stretch of coast was at the centre of the world’s attention, after what is believed to be part of a Boeing 777 wing was washed ashore. Given that the only such plane to have crashed in the Southern Hemisphere is MH370 – the ill-fated flight that vanished in mysterious circumstances in March 2014 – it seems, at last, that the riddle could have been solved.

An Australian-led search has spent 16 months combing the southern Indian Ocean for the aircraft, which is known to have inexplicably veered off-course from its designated route, from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

"This is the first positive sign that we have located part of that plane," said Julie Bishop, Australia's foreign minister.

On Saturday the suspected wing component arrived in Paris, having been flown from Reunion on an Air France flight on Friday night.

Malaysian and French experts will begin their analysis on Wednesday, along with an examination of parts of a suitcase discovered nearby.

Items washed up on the beach where the piece of aircraft has been found (Paul Grover/The Telegraph)
On Monday three French magistrates as well as a Malaysian legal representative and an official from France's civil aviation investigating authority will begin meeting, behind closed doors, in Paris.

“I believe that we are moving closer to solving the mystery of MH370,” said Abdul Aziz Kaprawi, Malaysia's deputy transport minister. “This could be the convincing evidence that MH370 went down in the Indian Ocean.”

Yet Mr Ferrier had no idea of the significance of the object. Flotsam and jetsam washed up are part of his everyday life on the inhospitable beach, where nobody dares to enter the fierce waves and shark-infested waters.

“I found a couple of suitcases too, around the same time, full of things,” he said, almost in passing.

What did you do with them?

“I burnt them,” he said, pointing to the pile of ashes lying on the boulders. “That’s my job. I collect rubbish, and burn it.

“I could have found many things that belonged to the plane, and burnt them, without realising.”

Nicolas Ferrier on the beach where the piece of aircraft has been found (Paul Grover/The Telegraph)
He also saw the wing which washed up on Wednesday – although in May, the barnacles encrusting its side were still alive. By the time it washed ashore again this week, the crustaceans were dead.

“Like the seat, I didn’t know what it was.

“I sat on it. I was fishing for macabi (bonefish) and used it as a table. I really didn’t pay it much attention – until I saw it on the news.”

His story is backed up by that of another local woman, named only as Isabelle, who spotted the same object while walking on the beach in May, accompanied by her 10-year-old son.

"It was the beginning of the holidays - around May 10," she told local news website Zinfos974.com.

"I was walking with my son, Krishna. Then from a rock on which we were standing, he saw an object and shouted: 'Mum, that looks like the wing of a plane!'"

Krishna then jumped on what looked like a suitcase. He managed to prise it open, and then spotted another suitcase buried in the black sand.

But the waves were gathering height and so Isabelle ordered her son off the beach. They went home, and thought nothing of it until Wednesday.

Mr Ferrier has not told his tale until now because he has been in hospital for several days; yesterday (SAT) was his first day back at his home, 300 yards from the beach.

French gendarmes work on a oversized crate, believed to contain plane wreckage, in the cargo area of the airport in Saint-Denis (AP)

Why didn’t he report the seat and suitcases at the time?

“I work alone, so didn’t have anyone to consult about it – unlike the others,” he said, referring to the team of beach cleaners led by Johnny Begue, who found the wing on Wednesday.

And the testimony of Mr Ferrier and Isabelle raises the question that hundreds of items could have been washing up on Reunion for the past few months, with no one paying any attention.

“Even now I can’t quite understand it. For me, it was something totally normal – I see it all the time. I can’t really say if it was the first time or the last time I saw bits like that, because I never pay attention.

“From now on I will look more closely.”

Has he found any other interesting or unusual objects?

“Maybe,” he said. “But I wouldn’t know. I just throw them on the fire.”

He doesn’t listen to the radio or watch television, he said, and was unaware of the furore.
“Malaysia Airlines is a bit like bin Laden,” he chuckled, his thickly-accented French mixed with Creole. “No one had ever heard of it – then suddenly we talk about nothing else.”
And for Mr Ferrier and other islanders, the global spotlight has taken them aback.

Reunion, a sleepy volcanic outcrop 400 miles east of Madagascar, is unused to this attention. The 850,000 inhabitants live from agriculture - sugar cane plantations carpet over half the agricultural land on this 40-mile long island - and from tourism. Yet tourism has taken a battering following a wave of shark attacks: since 2011, there have been seven fatalities, with the most recent the death of a 13-year-old surfer in April. A man lost his arm in an attack a fortnight ago.


Officers carry pieces of debris from the aircraft apparently washed ashore in Saint-Andre de la Reunion (EPA)
Unemployment remains a huge problem – the latest figures, from June, put the number out of work at three times that of mainland France, and even worst for young people, with 60 per cent jobless.

But the influx of £800 million in EU funds over the past seven years have visibly helped: the airport is gleaming, the motorways modern and the lush volcanic hillsides flanked with wind turbines.

Indeed, although Reunion may have its problems it is decidedly French and comparatively wealthy: locals complain about islanders from neighbouring Mayotte and Comoros arriving and living off the state. The currency is the euro, and Carrefour supermarkets sit between the pastel-hued houses with their modern corrugated-iron roofs. Lycra-clad pensioners pedal up the roads, or play petanque in the gravel areas in front of the palm-fringed beaches.

“I am Creole, I am Reunionnais, and I am French,” said Franc Periamagom, 70, who had come to join Mr Ferrier in the shade. “We are a mix here: African, Indian, Malay, European.”

The island was discovered, uninhabited, by the Portuguese in the early 1500s. It became French in 1642, and was for a while renamed Bonaparte Island – in honour of Napoleon – until the British briefly held it, from 1810 to 1815. Since then it has been known as Reunion, and remained in French hands.

Mr Periamagom, in a cowboy hat and white shirt, was convinced that the wreckage of the plane had washed up on his isle.

“They found two bottles on Friday,” he said conspiratorially. “And they were definitely from the plane, because they were special drinking water given to pilots to keep them awake during long flights.”

The two local police standing nearby smiled and rolled their eyes.

For the past four days the beach has been abuzz with activity; on Friday around a dozen police patrolled the beach, while helicopters hovered overhead. Local people took it upon themselves to fly drones over the waves, in the hope of spotting more debris.

MH370 (PA)

Scientists say there are several plausible scenarios in which ocean currents could have carried a piece of debris from the plane to the island.

But Australian search authorities, who are leading the Indian Ocean hunt for the aircraft some 2,500 miles from Reunion, said they were confident the main debris field was in the current search area.

Martin Dolan, chief commissioner of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, which is leading the search for the passenger jet, said the discovery did not mean other parts would start washing up on the island.

"Over the last 16 or 17 months, any floating debris would have dispersed quite markedly across the Indian Ocean," he said.

And by Saturday the beach was beginning to empty again.

“In the month of May, if I had realised, there would have been even more bits,” said Mr Ferrier. “There was a lot of evidence on the beach. But the sea took it away.
“I think they’ll find more though," he added.

“I’ve seen quite a lot – and I wasn’t even looking.”

     
This bit from the MH370 Super Sleuth..

..chief commissioner of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, which is leading the search for the passenger jet, said the discovery did not mean other parts would start washing up on the island...

Well I guess that is a true statement, mainly because the MH370 debris is already passed..FCOL

MTF..P2  

[Gobbledock]

Gobbles I reckon the Chief Commissioner Muppet will be firing his tea leave lady & scrapping his crystal ball, ordering in a box of Smith's Crinkle Cuts to entice you to Can'tberra ?

P2, thanks for the compliment. I will accept the ofer but only if I can place the empty chippy bag over the Muppets head!

My comment was based on something Beaker has never experienced - investigating an accident, working outside the box, getting ones hands dirty and placing oneself in the shoes of others, in this case poor villagers who are uneducated in identifying smashed aircraft wreckage! When someone sits on their fat ass in Can'tberra and plays with budgets while kissing Ministers asses they will never comprehend the complexities of an investigation process. My comment was formulated upon simplistic reasoning - which was that at some point, somewhere, some wreckage flotsam would turn up, most likely on some third world beach that lay in the path of the relevant ocean currents. And I surmised that this may have occurred well before the past week, and it would seem I am correct. But this doesn't mean I possess super sleuth ability above everybody else as I am positive there are many others with investigative experience who have thought/predicted the same thing. The Muppets steering this ship of fools should have set about educating key local island communities a long time ago. There have been numerous widebody crashes into bodies of water so why don't those in charge send some of the photos from those other accidents to these communities and show them what sort of items to keep an eye out for?

Oh Beaker, staring at spreadsheets and your abacus all day long has really dulled your brain.

[Gobbledock]

A group of Duchies have bought into the search debate and claim that their research and modelling shows that the search is in the wrong place;

http://mobile.news.com.au/travel/travel-...7470226495

And so the mystery continues......

[Peetwo]

A group of Duchies have bought into the search debate and claim that their research and modelling shows that the search is in the wrong place;

http://mobile.news.com.au/travel/travel-...7470226495

And so the mystery continues......

Good catch Gobbles, here you go with a slightly smaller version...

Group of Dutch hydrodynamic experts releases modelling showing MH370 search is in the wrong place  

 
by: Robyn Ironside National Aviation Writer
From: News Corp Australia Network
12 hours ago August 04, 2015 9:59PM




Wrong area ... Dutch experts Marten van Ormondt and Fedor Baart say their research shows that authorities are looking in the wrong place (Reunion Island) for missing flight MH370. Picture: AP Source: AP

AS the world waits for the French to declare the origins of a Boeing 777 flaperon, a group of Dutch hydrodynamic experts has released modelling they believe shows the MH370 search is occurring in the wrong place.  

The engineers from independent research institute Deltares, produced the simulation model based on the belief the wing flap is from the missing aircraft.

Using their knowledge of surface currents, Marten van Ormondt and Fedor Baart found that particles released in the northern part of the search off central Western Australia reached the coast of Reunion Island within a year of release.

“Those released at the southern section do not travel as far and do not make it to Africa within the simulation period,” the researchers said.




Older models ... Three-dimensional models of the sea floor terrain show original MH370 search area. Picture: Supplied Source: Supplied
London-based Australian oceanographer Erik van Sebille has also suggested the arrival of possible MH370 debris on Reunion Island last week indicated it came from an area to the north of where the search is currently focused.

The much publicised modelling undertaken by the University of Western Australia a year ago forecast debris from the Southern Indian Ocean would not reach Madagascar (near Reunion) for 18 to 24 months.

It will be 17-months on Saturday that the Malaysia Airlines’ Boeing 777 disappeared after going dramatically off course in a routine flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.



Possible evidence ... French police officers carry a piece of debris from a plane in Saint-Andre, Reunion Island, which could possibly be that of missing flight MH370. Picture: AP Source: AP

Authorities including the Australian Transport Safety Bureau have been unable to explain the disappearance, but have said it was most likely a deliberate act by someone with extensive aircraft knowledge.

There were 239 people on board the plane including six Australians.

An underwater search of the Southern Indian Ocean had been underway since last October.

Despite covering an area close to the size of Tasmania, nothing has been found other than an uncharted shipwreck.

A little over 60,000 square kilometres is left to be searched and the Australian Transport Safety Bureau chief Commissioner Martin Dolan is confident the wreckage will be found in that area.

The search zone was established through painstaking analysis of a series of satellite handshakes with MH370, which placed the aircraft at various points of an arc in the Indian Ocean.

Here we go again...another group of experts for Beaker to thumb his nose at because he know's best...FCOL

"...Australian Transport Safety Bureau chief Commissioner Martin Dolan is confident the wreckage will be found in that area..." Oh well at least someone is!

MTF...P2

[Gobbledock]

Good catch Gobbles, here you go with a slightly smaller version...

Cheers big ears. One day I will become more I.T proficient. However I am good at navigating around Herr Truss's Farcebook page and I have got Redtube all worked out!!!

[Gobbledock]

Comments from the super coach

The Super Sleuth enjoys some Big Apple fame;

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/06/wor...l?referrer=

In case the link doesn't work or you couldn't be bothered with the hassle, I have copied a snippet below. But I really don't know what one can say about this mi mi mi;

"Martin Dolan, head of the Transport Safety Bureau, said experts in Toulouse would gain some indication of how the flaperon had separated from the remainder of the plane. He said that once the jet’s fuel had been spent and there was no power, it would have been almost impossible for pilots to ditch the plane into the sea with any control.
“We have worked with Boeing to model what happens to a 777 aircraft when it runs out of fuel,” Mr. Dolan said in a telephone interview late last week. “It goes into an increasingly tight spiral, into or toward the surface, or in this case toward the ocean. That’s something we have a considerable level of confidence in.”

Gobbles bows his head in utter shame.
Cue Beakers music Frank;

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C0NXIpuHi5E

Doc

[ventus45]

CSIRO - recap.

http://csironewsblog.com/2014/03/28/what...ght-mh370/

http://csironewsblog.com/2015/08/05/what...ght-mh370/

https://youtu.be/fGKj9HPPUG0

[Peetwo]

While some of us were sleeping, confirmation that flaperon was from MH370:

MH370: Can Missing Plane Mystery Now Be Solved?

Confirmation that debris found on Reunion Island belongs to MH370 is a "huge step" to solving the mystery, one expert believes.
22:20, UK, Wednesday 05 August 2015


Video: 'Discovery Doesn't Tell Us Why'

The discovery of a wing flaperon belonging to MH370 raises hopes that the mystery of the vanishing plane could eventually be solved - but experts are divided on whether the truth will ever be known.

Confirmation that debris found on Reunion Island is from the Malaysia Airlines plane appears at least to discredit conspiracy theories such as the aircraft landing on a remote military base.

Jakarta-based aviation consultant Gerry Soejatman said the discovery was a "huge step".
"People want all the answers, but look, let's be real. We must be glad that we found something at all. Now we know roughly where it might have crashed," he said.

"This answers a lot of questions, actually. It eliminates other theories, conspiracy theories.


Video: Plane Debris Is From Flight MH370

"If the black box is found later on, it is likely we could get more answers."

John Page, an aircraft design expert at the University of New South Wales in Australia, said the Boeing 777 most likely broke up on impact with the water.

He believes main body parts will have sunk - but lighter pieces such as flaps, elevators, ailerons and rudders could be floating somewhere.

However, he thinks the chances of finding them remain slim.

"I'm certain other bits floated," he said. "But whether they've washed up anywhere is another question. The chances of hitting an island are pretty low."

Experts think the wing surface may have stayed afloat due to air pockets in its structure - but aviation consultant Gideon Ewers is sceptical about whether other pieces will appear in a similar fashion.

He told Sky News: "This confirms the plane went down somewhere in the Indian Ocean - but we pretty much knew that two years ago.

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"It won't take us any further down the path of what happened and why.

"It would be nice to find more debris (but) am I confident or even hopeful? Not really, I'm afraid."

MH370 vanished with 239 people on board on 8 March last year - and families say this is "not the end" of their quest for closure.

Michael Smart, a professor of aerospace engineering at the University of Queensland, is more hopeful that loved ones may one day get the answers they crave.

"If one piece turns up, perhaps there's a likelihood that others will as well," he said.

"It's strange to think you'd find one part that floated and nothing else."

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MH370: French authorities say flight's technical specifications matches Réunion debris


[url=http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2015/aug/05/mh370-malaysian-prime-minister-confirms-debris-found-belongs-to-missing-flight-video] MH370: Malaysian prime minister confirms Réunion debris found belongs to missing flight

We have shared information in real time with authorities who have the necessary experience to interpret the data. We have been working nonstop to assist the investigation. And we have put our national security second to the search for the missing plane.

It is widely understood that this has been a situation without precedent.

We have conducted search operations over land, in the South China Sea, the Straits of Malacca, the Andaman Sea and the Indian Ocean. At every stage, we acted on the basis of verified information, and we followed every credible lead. Sometimes these leads have led nowhere.

There has been intense speculation. We understand the desperate need for information on behalf of the families and those watching around the world. But we have a responsibility to the investigation and the families to only release information that has been corroborated. And our primary motivation has always been to find the plane.

In the first phase of the search operation, we searched near MH370’s last known position, in the South China Sea. At the same time, it was brought to our attention by the Royal Malaysian Air Force that, based on their primary radar, an aircraft – the identity of which could not be confirmed – made a turn back. The primary radar data showed the aircraft proceeding on a flight path which took it to an area north of the Straits of Malacca.

Given this credible data, which was subsequently corroborated with the relevant international authorities, we expanded the area of search to include the Straits of Malacca and, later, to the Andaman Sea.

Early this morning I was briefed by the investigation team – which includes the FAA [US Federal Aviation Administration], NTSB [US National Transportation Safety Board], the AAIB [Uk Air Accidents Investigation Branch], the Malaysian authorities and the acting minister of transport – on new information that sheds further light on what happened to MH370.

Based on new satellite information, we can say with a high degree of certainty that the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) was disabled just before the aircraft reached the East coast of peninsular Malaysia. Shortly afterwards, near the border between Malaysian and Vietnamese air traffic control, the aircraft’s transponder was switched off.

From this point onwards, the Royal Malaysian Air Force primary radar showed that an aircraft which was believed – but not confirmed – to be MH370 did indeed turn back. It then flew in a westerly direction back over peninsular Malaysia before turning northwest. Up until the point at which it left military primary radar coverage, these movements are consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane.

Today, based on raw satellite data that was obtained from the satellite data service provider, we can confirm that the aircraft shown in the primary radar data was flight MH370. After much forensic work and deliberation, the FAA, NTSB, AAIB and the Malaysian authorities, working separately on the same data, concur.

According to the new data, the last confirmed communication between the plane and the satellite was at 8:11AM Malaysian time on Saturday 8th March. The investigations team is making further calculations which will indicate how far the aircraft may have flown after this last point of contact. This will help us to refine the search.

Due to the type of satellite data, we are unable to confirm the precise location of the plane when it last made contact with the satellite.

However, based on this new data, the aviation authorities of Malaysia and their international counterparts have determined that the plane’s last communication with the satellite was in one of two possible corridors: a northern corridor stretching approximately from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan to northern Thailand, or a southern corridor stretching approximately from Indonesia to the southern Indian ocean. The investigation team is working to further refine the information.

In view of this latest development the Malaysian authorities have refocused their investigation into the crew and passengers on board. Despite media reports that the plane was hijacked, I wish to be very clear: we are still investigating all possibilities as to what caused MH370 to deviate from its original flight path.

This new satellite information has a significant impact on the nature and scope of the search operation. We are ending our operations in the South China Sea and reassessing the redeployment of our assets. We are working with the relevant countries to request all information relevant to the search, including radar data.

As the two new corridors involve many countries, the relevant foreign embassies have been invited to a briefing on the new information today by the Malaysian Foreign Ministry and the technical experts. I have also instructed the Foreign Ministry to provide a full briefing to foreign governments which had passengers on the plane. This morning, Malaysia Airlines has been informing the families of the passengers and crew of these new developments.

Clearly, the search for MH370 has entered a new phase. Over the last seven days, we have followed every lead and looked into every possibility. For the families and friends of those involved, we hope this new information brings us one step closer to finding the plane.

MTF..P2

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From http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2...bris-video

Speaking at a news conference in Paris on Wednesday 5th August 2015 - French Deputy Prosecutor Serge Mackowiak said that debris found on the island of Réunion matches the technical specifications of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

However, Mackowiak stops short of confirming the debris comes from the missing flight, but says there is "a very strong presumption" that the flaperon does belong to it.

I find it interesting that:
(a) the announcement is made in Paris
(b) the announcement is made by a Deputy Prosecutor
© the BEA is silent
(d) the "item" / "evidence" is in Toulouse.
(e) the "item" was allegedly only "un-crated" for the experts to have a "close up and personal" look at it today.
(f) Amazingly, apparently, the collective "they", of all the "technical experts", have apparently, reached their supposedly near conclusive conclusions, in only a few hours, on "one day".
(g) There has been virtually no time for any scientific or chemical testing of the material properties of "the item", which usually takes months.
(h) There has been no time for any scientific study of the barnacles.

Furthermore, for someone who spent a working life in the "logistics" world, dealing with heavily "configuration managed" equipment of all types, I consider it more than "strange" that:-
(a) Given the "modification" and "AD" history of the B-777 flaperons, it is telling that:
(1) there are no serial number or data plates.
(2) besides the "part number" there are apparently no other stencil or other hand written marks indicating mod state or date.
(b) Given that MAS maintenance "records" have been shown to be "suspect" ie, CVR/FDR "battery", and then of course, there was that amazing "avionics workshop fire" ...............
(1) The likely paucity / efficacy of the item's "configuration document trail" is:-
(a) unstated, and
(b) in my view - highly questionable - even if it was stated.

Taking al that into consideration, it is frankly amazing, that a very senior legal entity, shoud reach such profound conclusions as "a very strong presumption", so "quickly".

It is also interesting to note, that most of the media I have seen / heard this morning are running with the theme "this proves MH-370 is in the SIO and therefore all the "conspiracy theories" are wrong.

Perhaps that is the "real reason" for the "hasty" anouncement.

In other words, for my money, at best, the jury is still out, and at worst ........... ?