Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet.
#54

More Beaker Bullocks MKII - Courtesy Senate Estimates - ATSB AQON

From Senate Estimates thread:
(10-12-2015, 09:34 AM)Peetwo Wrote:  ...To get a feel for some of the spin & bullshit within, here is a typical 'up yours' from our resident MH370 Super Sleuth Muppet, to Nx & co (note when the REPCON was last updated):


Quote:Question no.: 102


Program: n/a

Division/Agency: Australian Transport Safety Bureau

Topic: Breakdown in air traffic control coordination

Proof Hansard Page: 21 (28 May 2015)

Senator Xenophon, Nick asked:



Senator XENOPHON: No. I am not trying to do circle work. This is important. Will the ATSB at least look at the publicly available information on WebTrak out of the two airports for that three-hour period to see whether there was a loss of separation assurance?

Mr Dolan: We thought it was more effective to ask Airservices to take a look at the tapes and to provide us with their view as to whether there had been a loss of separation assurance.

Senator WILLIAMS: How long would it take you to look at what Senator Xenophon is requesting? How long would it take you to look at that information? A couple of hours?

Mr Dolan: Possibly. It would need to be done by someone with air traffic control experience so that they could understand it, and we have a range of priorities that we have got our limited air traffic control expertise focused on. This is a matter of the management of limited resources.

Senator XENOPHON: Could you please, Chief Commissioner, take on notice whether the ATSB will be taking this matter any further, at the very least, to look at the WebTrak for that three-hour period out of the Essendon and Melbourne airports, and also whether it would look at radar tapes? Also, it appears, from what has been put to me, that there is a fundamental issue that Airservices did not give you the full story initially.

Mr Dolan: In terms of not being informed of a three-hour period, that is true.

Senator XENOPHON: Does that not worry you, Mr Dolan?

Mr Godley: Could I just clarify something, Senator? We did have one of our air traffic control investigators review the whole three hours. What happened was that after the repcon we got back to Airservices. They reviewed the tapes and said there was no loss of separation or loss of separation assurance. Our ATC investigator then reviewed the three hours. She determined that there was a potential loss of separation between two aircraft. But, due to the limitations of WebTrak, she could not be sure.



Answer:

The ATSB does not intend taking any further action on this matter, noting that an ATSB air traffic control specialist did review the WebTrak information for the entire period following receipt of the REPCON and that the ATSB is satisfied with the response provided by both Airservices Australia and CASA to the REPCON report (see http://www.atsb.gov.au/repcon/2013/ar201300090.aspx).
Quote:REPCON

Mode

Aviation
Reference No.
AR201300090
Date reported
18 November 2013

Concern title
Possible loss of separation due to a breakdown of coordination

Concern summary
The concern related to the potential of a loss of separation or loss of separation assurance as a result of a breakdown of coordination between Essendon tower and Melbourne tower.

Industry / Operation affected
Aviation: Airspace management
Concern subject type
Aviation: Air Traffic Control

Reporter's concern
The reporter expressed a concern that a breakdown in communication, which occurred in November between Essendon Tower and Melbourne Tower, may have resulted in a loss of separation assurance or potentially a loss of separation between aircraft operating at Melbourne and Essendon.

Operator's response (Operator 1)

Airservices Australia (Airservices) appreciates the opportunity to respond to the reported concern regarding a breakdown in communication between Essendon and Melbourne.
Airservices confirms that the breakdown of communication was reported via Airservices Corporate Integrated Reporting and Risk Information System (CIRRIS).

The reported occurrence involved Melbourne Terminal Area Control who received coordination from Essendon Tower advising that they could not separate overshoots with Melbourne traffic due to the cloud base. The breakdown of communication occurred as the Melbourne Terminal Area Control passed the information to the Melbourne Approach Controller but failed to receive acknowledgement of the coordination resulting in the Approach Controller being unaware of the need to identify Essendon arrivals to Melbourne Tower.

A preliminary investigation confirmed that the documented procedure was not correctly followed in that the controller concerned failed to confirm acknowledgement of the coordination.

The investigation determined that no systemic issues existed and the potential safety impact that may have resulted from the breakdown of coordination was understood by the controller. Nonetheless, the Check and Standardisation Supervisors of the involved ATC group have been tasked with reviewing the coordination requirements with the aim of identifying potential opportunities to minimise the likelihood of a similar breakdown of communication reoccurring.

In the interim a temporary console display has been created to highlight separation responsibility for Essendon traffic arriving from terminal control unit (TCU) airspace.
With reference to the reporter's concern that the occurrence may have resulted in a loss of separation (LOS) or a loss of separation assurance (LOSA), Airservices can confirm that there was no LOS or LOSA occurrences during the time of the breakdown of communication.

Regulator's response (Regulator 1)

We note that there was no loss of separation and CASA does not intend to take any direct safety action with regard to this matter; however CASA will use this information to complement other information that informs us of Airservices Australia safety risk profile.
 

[Image: share.png][Image: feedback.png]

Last update 24 March 2014
Hmm...wonder what variety of wet lettuce the Senate Committee will choose to slap Dolan with this time...FCOL Dodgy  

Of interest for MH370 followers - if for no other reason but the condescending, arrogant tone of the answers - is this AQON to the Senator Rice written QONs:

 [Image: Sen-Rice-WQON.jpg]

MTF...P2 Tongue
Reply


Messages In This Thread
Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 04-28-2015, 09:30 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Kharon - 04-29-2015, 06:49 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Gobbledock - 04-29-2015, 10:06 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 05-01-2015, 12:57 PM
Does Beaker suffer from‘Lateral harmonic wagon oscillation’ - by Gobbledock - 05-21-2015, 05:18 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 05-21-2015, 07:43 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Gobbledock - 05-21-2015, 09:17 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Kharon - 05-22-2015, 05:51 AM
To beard or not to beard, that is the question! - by Gobbledock - 05-22-2015, 11:43 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 05-26-2015, 06:09 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 05-28-2015, 11:54 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Gobbledock - 05-28-2015, 12:40 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Jacki_Binkley - 05-29-2015, 12:59 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Kharon - 05-29-2015, 06:57 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 06-02-2015, 08:18 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Gobbledock - 06-02-2015, 10:09 PM
Of media tarts and white noise - by Gobbledock - 06-03-2015, 12:52 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 06-04-2015, 03:15 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by crankybastards - 06-04-2015, 03:48 PM
Of Whirlybirds and tarts - by Gobbledock - 06-04-2015, 03:58 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 06-05-2015, 01:08 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 06-23-2015, 08:07 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Ziggy - 06-04-2015, 04:23 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Gobbledock - 06-04-2015, 04:32 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Gobbledock - 06-23-2015, 08:46 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by P7_TOM - 06-23-2015, 11:34 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 07-01-2015, 06:57 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 07-08-2015, 06:00 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Gobbledock - 07-08-2015, 08:32 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 07-10-2015, 05:32 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Kharon - 07-11-2015, 05:59 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by thorn bird - 07-11-2015, 07:58 AM
Godley'ness is next to cleanliness - by Gobbledock - 07-11-2015, 12:32 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 07-14-2015, 06:53 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Gobbledock - 07-14-2015, 07:53 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Kharon - 07-20-2015, 06:28 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Gobbledock - 07-20-2015, 07:47 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 07-21-2015, 11:31 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 07-21-2015, 01:47 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Gobbledock - 07-21-2015, 01:47 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by P7_TOM - 07-21-2015, 06:32 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Kharon - 08-08-2015, 06:10 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 08-27-2015, 09:29 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Gobbledock - 08-27-2015, 10:31 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by crankybastards - 08-27-2015, 02:46 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Kharon - 08-27-2015, 06:10 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 08-27-2015, 07:34 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 09-01-2015, 08:55 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Gobbledock - 09-01-2015, 09:19 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Kharon - 09-02-2015, 05:34 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 09-02-2015, 10:02 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Kharon - 09-07-2015, 07:37 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 09-08-2015, 05:11 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 10-12-2015, 10:44 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Kharon - 10-15-2015, 04:39 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 11-07-2015, 10:14 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by P7_TOM - 11-07-2015, 11:52 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Gobbledock - 11-07-2015, 01:59 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 01-12-2016, 07:06 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Kharon - 01-13-2016, 07:12 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 01-13-2016, 03:08 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 01-24-2016, 10:06 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by ventus45 - 01-24-2016, 12:04 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by P7_TOM - 01-24-2016, 01:15 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Kharon - 01-25-2016, 03:52 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by ventus45 - 01-25-2016, 09:15 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by P7_TOM - 01-25-2016, 06:22 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Gobbledock - 01-25-2016, 07:59 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by ventus45 - 01-26-2016, 12:00 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Gobbledock - 01-26-2016, 12:41 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by ventus45 - 01-26-2016, 01:17 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Kharon - 01-27-2016, 08:18 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 02-04-2016, 12:18 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Kharon - 02-11-2016, 06:03 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 02-11-2016, 09:07 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by aussie500 - 02-12-2016, 05:02 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 03-08-2016, 09:23 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Gobbledock - 03-09-2016, 10:04 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 03-16-2016, 04:35 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Ziggy - 03-16-2016, 11:49 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 04-16-2016, 08:48 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Kharon - 04-17-2016, 01:41 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 05-05-2016, 08:42 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Gobbledock - 05-06-2016, 09:40 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Kharon - 05-10-2016, 07:31 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Gobbledock - 05-10-2016, 08:17 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 05-20-2016, 08:57 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 06-01-2016, 04:20 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 07-02-2016, 10:02 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Peetwo - 08-30-2016, 07:57 PM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by Kharon - 09-01-2016, 07:35 AM
RE: Simply Marvellous Horse-pooh - Beaker the media magnet. - by P7_TOM - 05-01-2017, 06:31 PM



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)