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If Albo gets in the GA industry is doomed -  Confused

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(02-10-2022, 11:35 AM)Sandy Reith Wrote:  From Catherine King expect practically nothing at all. The usual safety line is the same dopey nonsense that covers the whole subject in any way that you like depending on which way the wind blows or which way the tea leaves arrange themselves in the bottom of your mug.

She talks about some wanting changes but others, with seemingly equal representation, don’t want much if anything. In other words no idea at all.

(02-10-2022, 04:15 PM)thorn bird Wrote:  Gawd Sandy, where is this woman oops sorry person from?

ADS-B is going to "Save" the GA industry, really?

“Labor will have more to say about our aviation policy as the election drawers nearer," King said, "but we have a proud history of supporting–and driving reform in–Australian aviation. Everyone involved in general aviation can expect this to continue under an Albanese Labor government."

A proud history??? Uh, can anyone tell me of anything each way Albo did for aviation when he was last in the seat?

(02-11-2022, 05:44 AM)Kharon Wrote:  Comment HERE.
Crimes of omission. Sins of commission.

"The opposition has a very proud record of bipartisanship when it comes to aviation safety.

How very convenient for them; direct descendants of Pilate and his neat little side ways two step shuffle (Matthew 27:24). Fact or fiction? Irrelevant, but the legend stands as representative of the great cop-out. The 'opposition' is there to 'challenge' and debate matters which affect the well being of the nation. The 'Navigation Act' is due for an overhaul; it is an essential document which carries great weight, domestically and internationally. It is a document which requires/demands intense scrutiny and debate. How can any parliamentarian, of any stripe, simply waive the thing into law without a moments consideration? Where does the hypocrisy end, the 'opposition' on an almost daily exhibit their 'opposition' to almost anything the governing party proposes - (see the comedy hour. a.k.a. Question time). Bills are debated and refined by both houses; and yet 'matters aeronautical' are simply waived through. Why? There are hundreds killed, maimed and injured on our roads every year; a much higher level of risk than any aviation activity, the costs horrendous and yet any change to the road rules (a'la aviation rules) would have 'em all on their hind legs barking and biting. Seems to me the most dangerous part of any flight is the drive to airport. Aviation legislation is at a crisis point; time someone challenged the bipartinsane cop out and brought in some semblance of sanity. 

"There are, frankly, no margins for error when it comes to aviation safety."

What a risible statement; what a load of ignorant arrogance and its bullshit. There are  so many allowances for 'margins of error' practised every day that they are uncountable; the risks are completely understood, the safeguards carefully arranged etc. Where the real lack of risk margin exists is within the legislation, (politicians business). All directed toward 'safe conviction' and plausible deniability of any and all responsibility for politicians and CASA.

Bipartisanship shames the notion of democracy; and disgusts those who do accept the responsibility for 'safety' on a daily basis, despite little to no relief in law from even minor transgressions.

Toot - toot...

(02-11-2022, 08:59 AM)Wombat Wrote:  "how best to unlock the potential of the aviation sector’s contribution to achieving net zero."

That is code for taxing all forms of petrol engined flying out of existence.

Still no official ALP aviation policy out yet but if you read between lines on this Oz Aviation article:

Quote:LABOR TO FOCUS ON NATIONAL AVIATION POLICY, BRISBANE NOISE POLLUTION
written by Hannah Dowling | March 30, 2022

[Image: A-Qantas-737-800-as-shot-at-Brisbane-BNE...1.jpg.webp]

Shadow minister for transport and infrastructure Catherine King has revealed Labor’s plans to instate a permanent forum to monitor aircraft noise levels over Brisbane and launch a new white paper into Australia’s national aviation policy.

The white paper would have a particular focus on general aviation and training, to ensure the sector is prepared for post-pandemic recovery and growth.

It comes as the federal government revealed its proposed 2022-23 budget overnight, which introduced no new assistance for Australia’s aviation industry, amid an improving operating environment.

In an opinion piece published in the Courier Mail, King stated Labor’s commitment to ensuring Brisbane residents are satisfied with what is being done in response to ongoing outrage over increasing aircraft noise pollution over inner-city suburbs.

“Aviation is essential to Australia and to Brisbane,” King wrote.

“Labor has long argued that the Morrison-Joyce government needs to take seriously the concerns of residents affected by aircraft noise,” she added.

It comes after residents of inner-city Brisbane suburbs have spent months lobbying and protesting against excessive aircraft noise pollution over their homes following the introduction of Brisbane’s second parallel runway.

The airport opened its new parallel runway in July 2020, and simultaneously implemented a slew of new flight paths that residents have since stated do not meet the expectations set in consultation with the community prior to the runway’s approval.

In September, Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce set up a Post Implementation Review Advisory Forum for Brisbane Airport’s new flight paths, which released its first quarterly report in January.

As a result, Brisbane Airport Corporation and Airservices have together agreed to begin a new trial to send more flights over Moreton Bay, reducing the number flying over inner-city homes.

“Yes, we were pleased to see the government follow Labor’s lead last September by establishing an independent airport forum for Brisbane residents,” King said.

“But why isn’t it permanent like the similar model in Sydney?”

According to King, should the Labor party win the upcoming federal election, it will “take the next step” to make the independent forum investigating aircraft noise in Brisbane “permanent and independent”.

“Through this body, Labor will be keen to explore other ideas to better manage aircraft noise for Brisbane residents,” she said.

The shadow transport minister also said Labor will “ensure Airservices actually measures the noise that locals have to put up with, whether from the new runway or the legacy runway”.

In the piece, King also pledged to commission a new white paper “to take a detailed and coordinated look at our national aviation policy framework”.

“It will address aircraft noise and airport planning, but also the future of general and training aviation and help set the sector up for a new era of competition and prosperity,” King said.

“In the absence of leadership from the current government, an Albanese Labor government will step up to work with the local community, enable their voices to be heard and chart a better future for Australian aviation,” she concluded.

..and this Oz Flying article yesterday:

Quote:[Image: team_labor_web1.jpg]

ALP Aviation Policy to include White Paper

4 April 2022

Shadow Minister for Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Development Catherine King said last week that the Australian Labor Party would create a new aviation white paper if they won the upcoming federal election.

"An Albanese Labor Government will deliver a new aviation white paper to set the scene for the next generation of growth and development across the aviation sector, while also establishing effective mechanisms for consultation and management of issues like aircraft noise and airport development," King said in a statement.

"To continue the recovery of Australian aviation, and plot the opportunities for future growth, an Albanese Labor Government will follow in the footsteps of the last Labor government in creating a new Aviation White Paper."

KIng accused the Morrison government of having no aviation plan for the future and said throughout the pandemic the government produced no support of any lasting impact.

King said the ALP's white paper would look at several initiatives including:
  • how to maximise the aviation sector’s contribution to achieving net zero carbon emissions, including through sustainable aviation fuel and emerging technologies
  • economic reforms needed to improve productivity across the sector, including addressing skills shortages, competition between airports and airlines, and charting a course out of the pandemic
  • how to support and regenerate Australia’s general aviation sector
  • better mechanisms for consultation on and management of issues like aircraft noise, airport development planning and changing security requirements.


"Only an Albanese Labor Government will end the Coalition’s decade of wasted opportunity, charting a better path for Australia’s essential aviation industry," she said.

The ALP produced an aviation White Paper in 2009 during their last term in government when current Prime Ministerial hopeful Anthony Albanese was minister for transport. It was roundly criticised by the GA community because it delivered little of any substance and ignored much of the industry input provided to the preceeding Green Paper.



Yogi comment:

Yogi • a day ago

If Labor were truly interested, they would already have an updated policy. Instead they ask you to trust that they will do a good job. That is hard to do based on their last effort. This all smacks of politics and trying to grab a few votes based on airport noise. Kevin Rudd did the same thing and then did nothing for the community when he got in to power.

...we're ALL DOOMED!  Confused

Here is the EWH take on that, via the LMH: 

Quote:ALP Shadow Minister Catherine King has released a statement of policy stating with much fanfare that, if they are elected to government, they will create another aviation white paper. Rather than being progressive policy, this is seen as just a throw-back to the White Paper of the last ALP stint in power; perhaps a needs to hang on grimly to a failed exercise that they are desperate to make work. The ALP policy has two major failings: the last White Paper is still thought of by everyone outside the ALP as being junk, and any future White Paper program would once again call for industry input at a time when people have had enough. The GA community has spent the past two decades desperately trying to get people in power to look at the state of the industry and make positive, progressive and innovative change to make sure it thrives. They've been trying to get politicians of every colour–red, blue, green or white–to value GA and what it delivers to Australia. And they're still trying, which is a reliable indicator that nothing of any substance has been done. And now the ALP wants the GA community to tell their story again? That was done in the ALP's first White Paper. That was done in the ASRR. That was done in the senate GA inquiry. That was done in every piece of CASA consultation put forward. Mostly, the story hasn't been listened to. The GA community fears that another White Paper will be a copy-and-paste of the last one, when input to the preceeding Green Paper was almost completely ignored in favour of an outcome that was so obviously pre-determined. The GA community doesn't need to know that all the work done since the ALP was last in power will be junked simply because it all happened on the Coalition's watch. That would reset our doomsday clock close to midnight.

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