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St Commode shuts down survey because of over participation - go figure??

Via Oz Flying:
 

CASA suspends Survey claiming AOPA Interference
13 November 2020
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Response from Sandy: 

Casa has been ‘outed’ well and truly by the limited survey. Yes of course it can claim that it’s contractor (wonder at what cost and are there any former CASA or PS personnel employed?) is trying to configure the survey to compare to the last one.

Its just so obvious that it is trying to skew the survey to fight back against the ever louder voices crying for reform. Reform that it cannot countenance because it would give lie to the pocket lining CASA modus operandi, which has been operating since assuming it’s independent corporate status. This failed model of governance is further exposed. 

This contretemps does nothing to mitigate the General Aviation (GA) community’s certainty that CASA will not do anything to modify it’s disastrous dictatorship.  The extraordinary loss of flying services, jobs and businesses, notably in regional areas, are a direct result of the CASA fee gouging juggernaut armed as it is with it’s all encompassing criminal code regulations of several thousand pages.

Thankfully Aus Flying will publicise such items when GA, through AOPA and others, are trying to get the attention of Parliament.

Plus Sandy's take on this Hitch OP in this week's LMH:

CASA probably had no choice but to suspend their survey after AOPA published a direct link to the collector. Regardless of whether or not you believe that the regulator had designed the survey population to skew the results towards the positive, once the statistician set the methodology, a change in the population size can throw it all out ... especially if the extent of the population is unknown. Marketing surveys have become a science into their own, being rooted more in mathematics than the unquantifiable collection of opinions. Consequently, numbers become critical to the design. Quick example: with an open-ended population, there's no way of knowing what percentage of surveys were returned. The same for each category of person chosen: PPL, CPL, LAME, flying school and so forth. AOPA's beef is that they believe the 6600 chosen were done so to make CASA look good in the end report. I'm choking on this one a bit. Does CASA actually have the resources to go through every person on their list, double-check their backgrounds and affiliations to weed out those that might make them look bad? If the sample was 100-500, I would say its possible, but 6600? Would CASA actually find 6600 happy faces at the moment anyway? That's not to say some very well-known activists might not have had a red line put through their names, but at the most that would be 50-60 people, leaving a chunk of unknowns large enough to ensure the population is still representative.

Sandy:

Further to the discussion about the infamous survey, Hitch questions the dubious probability of skewing the results by some individual crossing out names, agreed that’s not what has happened. However a fair question is;  do we have knowledge of who are being surveyed? Obviously its not all pilots (why not?) because the numbers are not there.

Unless there’s a full disclosure of who are being surveyed then we can’t be satisfied because CASA has lost the confidence of virtually the whole of the aviation community. We won’t expect disclosure because the contractor will be reluctant to exhibit it’s methodology, so no doubt we have a cleft stick situation.

All we do know for sure that CASA will fight to retain its unfettered hegemony over the cowered cohort of commercial operators in a diminishing GA environment. In regard to the survey to which I was not invited but accessed via the AOPA link it was said that participants were de-identified but went on to ask if we would like to participate in further studies. I couldn’t help thinking maybe the de-identification wasn’t that strong. Again there is a lack of trust and no one should be surprised.

And the follow up from AOPA Oz CEO Ben Morgan:

AOPA Australia

CASA AVIATION COMMUNITY SURVEY SUSPENDED!

It has been reported today that the Civil Aviation Safety Authority has suspended their 'Aviation Community' survey, following a surge in submissions from across the aviation industry, following a call from AOPA Australia for industry to participate.

Touted by CASA as an independent survey that sought ‘frank’ views and opinions from the ‘aviation community’, the now suspended survey appears to confirm that CASA are only interested in the answers they want, not those they need.

See report from AOPA Australia last week: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=v...hXQQ%3D%3D

AOPA Australia CEO, Mr Benjamin Morgan, provides comment.

&/or for comments etc. - via FB: https://fb.watch/1Kj46gwSX-/

FB comments:

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Mark Newton

If there was any other way for CASA’s regulatory targets to have a voice which could advise and influence the direction and actions of the regulator, none of this would matter.

CASA’s incessant sham consultations cause people who are motivated and interested in regulatory affairs to spend inordinate amounts of time preparing submissions, which make no difference at all to the evolution of CASA’s proposals. CASA has a box they need to tick to comply with a consultation requirement when rulemaking, they don’t need to subsequently take any of the feedback on board. In the end it all makes no practical difference to anything.

And there is zero potential for a normal citizen to say, “It’d be safer/more flexible/cheaper if this regulation was rewritten...” No vector for anyone other than CASA themselves to propose improvements to anything.

My take is that the only reason they run this survey the way they do, and the only reason AOPA is upset about it, is because there’s literally no other way to have a voice heard.

There are very few people in the world who genuinely care about what turns up in a CASA stakeholder engagement survey (and even fewer of them are actually inside CASA). If there were alternative ways to drive change, none of this would matter at all.

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Mick Bawden


Unbelievable, I was looking forward for the results of this survey. What are you afraid to report CASA ? The hole just gets deeper and deeper.

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Hayden Fulthorpe

Wait, isn't that how every CASA "consultation" always works?

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Chookie Mitchell

Jacquie Kelly look at this report. Looks like CASA can’t handle the truth.

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Mike Bodley

Funny how they can get upset when their deliberate orchestration of results gets upset.

I was one of the many who were “invited” to participate in the survey 2 years ago but having failed to give them a 10/10 on their report card was not “invited” to participate this time.

Every “click here to start survey” button had a unique code attached to identify you in this “anonymous” survey.

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Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association Australia

Mike Bodley and that is a shame, as given you were previously surveyed, you would be well placed to provide a perspective and opinion on improvement.

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Simon McEwan

"... deliberate interference by an aviation group." Hmmm.
I wonder if said "aviation group" wanted the truth and not just contrived and orchestrated "facts"?.

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MTF...P2