Part 61 - For Dummies.
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(05-21-2015, 11:43 AM)Gobbledock Wrote:  ...Mr Skidmore the honeymoon is over. Your probationary period is up. The moment any of your henchmen so much as break wind in close proximity to one of our previously persecuted aviation fraternity we are going to throw it into the spotlight. We will expose any bullying or payback to the Senate, social media, tendentious news bloggers and the like. We've had enough. Your organisation has been judged and found wanting. The IOS are loudly proclaiming 'no more'. If the new DAS is smart he will escalate the need to turf out the dross from CAsA and blood the place with new talent, starting at the top rung.  

The ongoing and future actions of CAsA employees will now be attributed to Mr Skidmore personally. His 6 month period of grace is up. He is now fully accountable for all that takes place within sleepy hollow. No excuses, obsfucation or pledges of insanity or 'I didn't know because I was in Montreal' or 'I didn't know because that happenned before I started at CAsA' will be accepted. You are on notice!

Tick tock

 Epitaph: Here lies the Skidmark of embuggerance.

{Comment: Nearly posted over you "K", thought the bollocks article from the Oz would raise your hackles - very disappointing indeed Undecided }

Gobbles you, old Tom & the Ferryman are truly soothsayer's of legend... Angel  Your posts above predicted this but I admit I still had my doubts... Huh

From this wet lettuce piece here from 'Steve (I love CASA) the regurgitator', it has become quite obvious that Skates has come under the hoodoo voodoo spell of the Grand Master of the Iron Ring & received his frontal lobotomy... Sad
 
Quote: "...Well may we say "God save the Queen", because nothing will save the Director of Aviation Safety..."

From the bottom of my linked post above..

..."more than 70" ...FCOL  [Image: huh.gif] ..

FFS!- How can any sane person (..at the back of the room) accept that 70 responses is in anyway representative of the industry??

Although still majorly in decline, last time I cared to look there were 34,000+ licensed pilots in Australia. Of that there is over 10k with fixed wing commercial licenses. Of those it would be fair to say approximately a third are represented by pilot unions AIPA & VIPA, both of which have a vested interest in promoting future pilot wannabes. Therefore, I would have thought what they think & believe matters, from my post #8:

Quote:Of those five IMO the VIPA submission encapsulates most of the still outstanding issues with Part 61 and also questions why we aren't standardised to either the FAA or EASA Part 61 regs:

[Image: Part61-VIPA-1.jpg]
[Image: Part61-VIPA-2.jpg]

[Image: Part61-VIPA-3.jpg]
However it would appear that Skates is still choosing to ignore much of the excellent contributions from associations and organisations that put considerable time and effort into their ASRR submissions.. Dodgy

And - I would add that the above- are more truly representative of a lot more individual pilots than those of '70' -  probably low time, piss ant instructors, with pathetic little gripes about the new Part 61 - FFS!

Ah yes but they're a pilot associations, so what would they know right? What about this, from REX ASRR submission, on a more general note in regards to regulatory reform, cost & in compliance with Government policy & the OBRP guidelines:

Quote:3. THE CASA REGULATORY REFORM PROGRAM

The regulatory reform program commenced with the introduction of the Civil Aviation
Act 1988 meaning that the process has been ongoing for more than 25 years. A key
part of the regulatory reform process is harmonisation with international regulations
which in most cases has not occurred.

An example of this is the recent NPRM 1213CS in relation to hardened cockpit doors,
in which the proposed CASR 90.810(2) does not concur with FAA policy ANM 01-
115-11 upon which the NPRM change proposal (3.4.2) was based...

...The Office of Best Practice Regulation (OBPR), in the Department of Prime Minister
and Cabinet, has published a handbook of guidelines [Dept of Finance and
Deregulation, July 2013] for Australian Government agencies involved in regulatory
reform. Any agency that introduces new rules that may have a regulatory impact on
business must first produce a RIS as part of the regulatory process. The OBPR must
be notified and the agency is required to publish an Annual Regulatory Plan. It
appears that CASA does not comply with any of these OBPR mandatory guidelines.
Rex has not received a RIS for all NPRMs. One was received for the new CAO 48.1
which Rex found to be inadequate and against which it made a submission. Rex did
not receive a reply.

CASA does refer to an Annual Regulatory Plan on its website but essential
information is lacking. The OBPR handbook under ‘Expected Timetable’ says:

This field should include information about the estimated timetable for
major stages and milestones in the development of planned regulation
such as:
• when reviews are scheduled to commence and conclude;
• when public consultation will commence and how long the public
consultation period will be;
• when policy approval is to be sought; and
• when it is proposed to introduce regulation into the Parliament.


CASA does not comply with these provisions and often the first indication to industry
of a new rule is the sudden arrival of a DP or NPRM with an inadequate deadline.
CASA should provide information in relation to its regulatory reform projects that
complies with the OBPR guidance. Such information would allow industry to plan for
when new regulations will take effect, and also to consider responses to requests for
submissions in advance...

But for a full unadulterated reference on the true effect to industry of the Part 61 abomination, you simply can't go past the ProAviation submission , example:

Quote:61.370   Provision of photograph

(1)           The holder of a flight crew licence commits an offence if:

(a)          the holder exercises the privileges of the licence after the end of 10 years beginning:

(i)            when the licence was granted; or

(ii)          if the holder holds more than one flight crew licence—when the holder’s most recent licence was granted; and

(b)          the holder has not, before the exercise of the privileges, given CASA a photograph of the holder:

(i)           showing the holder’s full face and his or her head and shoulders; and

(ii)          taken not earlier than 6 months before the end of the period mentioned in paragraph (a).

Penalty: 50 penalty units.

An offence against this regulation is an offence of strict liability.


Comment: CASA doesn’t provide photo identification on the pilot licences it issues, so despite the gravity implied by the specified maximum available penalty, it is unclear (a) what impact non-compliance would have had on ensuring the safety of air navigation, and (b) what on earth motivated the legislative drafters to solicit such priceless “gifts” under threat of a 50-unit (currently $5,500) fine?

To be fair, following industry ridicule this regulation was repealed shortly after it was published; however it does appear to reflect on the training, guidance and motivations of people tasked with writing the regulations, and it is only one of thousands of examples of compulsive over-regulation. It also appears to represent an unnecessary breach of privacy to store data of this kind when there is no apparent “safety of air navigation” benefit while doubtless at least the equivalent of one employee would be required for management and storage. Let’s say at least $150,000 a year including on costs.

I could go on but what is the point, the Skates booking (see Ferryman post above) on the Styx River crossing has apparently been booked & paid for and we all know there are no refunds - oh ye Gods here we go again.. Sad   

MTF...P2 Confused

Ps Kharon:  "..I still cannot believe I read that article properly or that this industry is going to roll over and let it slide away..."

IMO the following post from Gobbles off "the noble Art - Embuggerancesays it all really:

Quote:The problem in all of this is ourselves. You see the problem is not one of civil disobedience, it's one of civil obedience. We accept the ridiculous rules, laws and regulations thrust upon us and we comply implicitly. We allow these unworkable, generally unsafe and unfair frameworks to enter our lives and we sit back and accept it with hardly any pissing or moaning. Our lives, income, careers, health, sanity and futures get f#cked up by horse pooh like Part 61 yet what do we do? We comply implicitly. Like a lapdog waiting for a command from its Master we sit back and we accept whatever we are given. We are conditioned to 'accept', not to question. We are conditioned to obey, not disobey. We are conditioned to receive, not give. We act like an aviation community that has been muted by some dark insidious force. Yes we suffer from CASS - Civil Aviation Stockholm Syndrome. We have been bullied, threatened, cajoled and tricked into absolute submission, and most of us don't even know it.

So again I raise the hypothesis that the problem is us, not them, and that our insistence on civil obedience rather than civil disobedience is the root cause of the decline in our once glorious industry.

"Safe mind control games for all"


  
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Part 61 - For Dummies. - by Kharon - 04-26-2015, 03:51 PM
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