Part 61 - For Dummies.
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(05-20-2015, 05:28 AM)kharon Wrote:  CASR Part 61 : start 1999 – ended 2015.  That's what – 16 years at 100 pages per annum, to produce an ineffective, incomprehensible bastard version of a rule set which began life as a jolly good idea,  Bravo.   Using the same formula a practical, sensible version, similar to the NZ rule set, with a modest less than 100 pages total should have taken, even at CASA speed, about a year to produce.  So WTF has happened during the lost years and what do 'we' have to see for the investment? 

Three things which, IMO demand serious answers : (i) the dollar cost of those 15 additional years; (ii) the almost unworkable, legally dangerous nature of the presented 'regulation'; (iii) that Australian industry is prepared to invest further time, effort and money in rectifying this monstrosity.   

The why, who, when and how of this aberration have me wondering if perhaps it's me that the village which lost it's idiot is looking for.  Because one of us is barking.  To start with a relatively straightforward, sane idea for simplifying and modernising a rule set and to finish up with the anathema* as presented, then to meekly accept it, and then happily volunteering to assist in rectifying the wretched thing; all point to insanity.

Woof woof.  

[Image: EinsteinInsanity.jpg]

* ("something dedicated to evil and thus accursed").

The Einstein quote is absolutely spot on... Smile

This was what Hitch had to say in his weekly wrap in a further response to the "K" motion to bin the bloody thing... Wink

Quote:CASA tells me they have received 61 e-mails of feedback in response to the Part 61 letter DAS Mark Skidmore sent out. Further, all but about two of those have contained valuable input that they can work with. There is a feeling in the industry that CASA has been told enough and calling for more feedback is just stalling for time. There is some merit to that argument, but I think that for the first time we have people in Canberra who are listening, and it's good for us all that fresh feedback has been called for. That way we have a chance of getting our message through en clair rather that having the new board be presented with old feedback that has been compromised after being processed by the CASA bureaucracy.

  However that was before the announcement that Jeff Boyd as the new Chair of the CASA Board had completely sunk in... Rolleyes 
 
Quote: LS: ...I would remind everybody that Part 61 plus MOS plus Advisory Documents plus CASA policy/interpretative/training documents now runs to 2200 pages and growing, not the 600 pages below. The total of pages that is legislative is about 1700.


The inconsistencies, conflicts etc. are simply impossible to manage, without a wholesale re-write on a basis that complies with the Government policy for red tape reduction.

Only now are people in the aviation community waking up to the real costs of this monster...

Most industry stakeholders would be aware that Boyd as Chair of the RAAA was very vocal in his opposition for Part 61 in its present 2200 page bastardised form and apparently has already indicated a strong inclination to 2nd the Ferryman motion... Angel   

There is also a rumour doing the rounds that Skates had indeed been nobbled by the Iron Ring but now with the threat of becoming the first DAS/CEO to be given the bullet by the board - & inside of his 1st year - he maybe changing his tune... Huh

Yeah I reckon there will be much MTF...P2 Tongue    
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Part 61 - For Dummies. - by Kharon - 04-26-2015, 03:51 PM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by thorn bird - 04-26-2015, 04:35 PM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by thorn bird - 04-26-2015, 04:49 PM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by P7_TOM - 05-05-2015, 07:48 AM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by Peetwo - 05-05-2015, 08:37 PM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by Kharon - 05-06-2015, 08:12 AM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by Kharon - 05-07-2015, 08:07 AM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by Peetwo - 05-08-2015, 11:28 AM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by Gobbledock - 05-08-2015, 06:04 PM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by P7_TOM - 05-09-2015, 02:16 PM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies - Addendum - by Gobbledock - 05-09-2015, 10:39 PM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by Kharon - 05-12-2015, 06:16 AM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by Peetwo - 05-13-2015, 07:37 AM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by P7_TOM - 05-12-2015, 03:55 PM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by Kharon - 05-13-2015, 06:12 AM
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RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by P7_TOM - 05-13-2015, 03:54 PM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by Kharon - 05-20-2015, 05:28 AM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by Peetwo - 05-20-2015, 07:55 AM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by Kharon - 05-20-2015, 08:26 AM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by P7_TOM - 05-21-2015, 09:19 AM
RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by Gobbledock - 05-21-2015, 11:43 AM
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RE: Part 61 - For Dummies. - by Kharon - 07-16-2016, 06:52 AM
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