Part 61 - For Dummies.
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(05-12-2015, 06:16 AM)kharon Wrote:  Australian Flying – Platitudes aplenty.

Mostly, I don't mind Hitch, but I'm calling BOLLOCKS on this half assed, badly informed, opinionated, pandering paragraph.  Aye platitudes for all, but of analysis, nary a word.  
 


Quote:Hitch - There was, I believe, a noticeable absence of the spleen-venting rants the regulator is so often subjected to. The problem with rants is, even though the base sentiment is valid, it has to be set aside. Emotive language and finger-pointing does nothing to add power to an argument, and actually obliterates the logic so the reader often doesn't get the point. I'm going to take the lack of brickbat flinging as a sign that the aviation community is now willing to do its part in bringing real change to aviation safety regulation.

WRONG:- and it won't be Hitch or his readers who have to plough their way through the unbelievable mess.  I wonder when we will see a Part 61 analysis from Hitch, there's a challenge.  Instead of writing trite little articles, let him take Part 61 home this weekend and do us an in depth review for next week; present it as the 'without a Hitch' solution.  
 
Hitch - I can't see how much more feed back Skidmore needs; this is just another 'consultation' ploy, a play for time.  The 600 page monstrosity referred to as Part 61 has 500 more pages than any other sane regulator publishes.  That's just for starters, it would take a crew of qualified lawyers a twelvemonth to untangle the language, extricate the hidden hangman's nooses and boil it all down to a point where 61 could even start to be framed in compliance with the current government recommendations.  Strict liability is risible as are the allusions to 'criminality'.  Part 61 is not good law but the pet policy of a control freak with a box ticking fetish.
 
Why should the industry be asked to sort out yet another CASA debacle; free of charge. The solution is simple; bin the Australian Part 61, revert to old system while the NZ part 61 is 'tweeked' to suit.  The Act can be changed during that period. Why waste time trying to make a sows ear into a silk purse.  Within the same time period it will take industry to sort out CASA's mess, wait for a response, wait for the changes (if any) to be effected; we can have a sane, sensible rule set in place which industry can 'safely' work with.  

No one who has tried to make 61 work has ever said "Whoa, this is great", not anyone who has read it that is.  RTFT Hitch, then get back to us..Remember it cost a fortune to mount this 600 page garbage pile and they want industry to tell 'em what's wrong, for free.  Strewth.

Long string of expletives - deleted.

Well, well..look who the Ferryman dragged out of the woodwork for public comment... Rolleyes

Quote:Brian J Hannan PAIN_NET18 hours ago


As retired VP of AOPA and having a long history of hard negotiating with CASA and some wins for GA I am disappointed to read the above
comment.

I based my crossed swords with CASA and AsA on facts, data and evidence and I read into the Hitch comment that is what he suggests as appropriate - "constructive and logical".

Yes, we all know Part 61 is overweight and illogical. Accordingly Industry should point that out to Skates, together with recommended solutions. Not buried in emotive claptrap.
I write occasionally for AF and have had many debates with Hitch
where we don't agree. This time I don't disagree with what he wrote.

Seems to be some confusion in the above comments about the role
of a reporter versus that of Industry and the various alphabet organisations in regards to fixing Part 61.

Again we are fighting among ourselves, wasting time to the detriment of fixing CASA. Sad, let's not waste further energy on such negativity.

Brian Hannan   

I agree with Hannan's last about fighting amongst ourselves but IMO that is not what this is about. It is about calling bollocks on bad law that quite simply should be scrapped.

It is fanciful that people (mainly CASAmites) continue to believe certain parts of this monstrosity could be salvaged/modified to suit. Usually these believers come from a certain select industry minority and do not realise that by trying to negotiate individually with CASA LSD (Iron Ring) that they are allowing CASA to again "Divide & Conquer", in this case industry dissent on Part61.

No the IOS majority needs to keep singing loud & clear BIN IT Skidmore ASAP... Angel

Quote:Hitch, Would you mind skimming through the attached document and identifying any spleen-venting rants so I can tidy it up a bit?

Cheers, PP 
  
Love it PP - Big Grin  Bit of light reading in that submission.. Wink
MTF..P2 Tongue  
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