(02-13-2017, 10:07 AM)aussie500 Wrote: The hull is made of metal, attached to a metal frame, even in bits the size of what was left of the MH17 fuselage, most of it is not going to float. There is no way to ditch on the open ocean and stay intact, especially not in the roaring 40's, during a storm. A few panels might have detached, depending on how much force was applied to the hull, and where it was when it broke up, in the air, or hitting the water. Such panels broken or intact might yet wash up. The bit of similar material that washed up in WA back in 2014, had help with some more buoyant attachments. If that was from MH370, it was an internal bit possibly from one of the galleys. ATSB and the federal police vanished it never to be seen again.
No internal window panels, or ceiling panels have washed up yet, only part of one seat has turned up, those head rest frames are pretty distinctive. The overhead bins, when eventually emptied of contents might also detach from their frames, they all are buoyant. If the floor panels stayed attached to their frame, they are not likely to float, same with the walls. All those yellow pipes running the length of the plane would break up and float, we have a sighting of a similar pipe back on 24th March 2014. There was a lot of yellow pipe, along with all sorts of other piping. I have no idea how tough it is, it has probably been broken up by now. The smaller piping is not distinctive enough to be recognized.
If the debris all eventually ended up going west, there is a nice long coast to catch what gets past the islands, why has it not washed up yet? There was plenty of stuff seen going east, north east and even south east, both in the sat images, and the aerial sightings. China spent a fair bit of time fishing directly east. No one followed up on what might have gone east and not been turned north, or might have gone south, or might never have left the search area. The searchers abandoned the area, once they analyzed all those photos they took, and all the more detailed info from military planes involved in the search. They did not reveal most of the sightings, never released the photos of the debris which they do have. They covered up what they found, and a convenient distraction turned up, to turn attention further north.
P7 - Nicely done Aussie 500; good to hear from you – here; have a choc frog.
Not sure if you've seen it Aussie 500 but Gunson (God bless him.. ) has raised some interesting questions on that timeframe from the MH370 search: Why do you think the recently concluded search for Malaysian Airlines Flight ML370 failed to find the wreckage?
Quote:...Political intervention on behalf of Boeing diverted searchers away from debris sightings in March 2014. The search for MH370 has been the most evil, politically corrupt air accident investigations ever conducted.
On 20 March, three French satellites Pleiades A, Pleiades B & Terra SAR-X spotted 122 debris adrift between two extremely large objects sighted 16 & 18 March respectively. These two large objects were 24m (80ft) & 22.5m (75ft) in length.
That evening a US Navy P-8 Poseidon search plane, one of two P-8 aircraft flew from Perth out to the area indicated by French satellites and in darkness made numerous radar hits.
Upon landing the following morning (Australian time) ABC reporter David Wright Tweeted about their discovery.
The search plane also took infra red images of debris through gaps in low cloud during the night time flight. The following image was obtained from the Australian Government in response to a FOIA request for images from search flights.
This was the situation by 21 March 2014. None of these debris were ever recovered by search vessels. Ironically the Australian warship HMAS Success was steaming from Perth directly for the location identified by French satellites when it was ordered to steam east away from the debris.
On 25 March 2014 the search planes were grounded ostensibly because of bad weather, however the weather system in question was closer to Australia than the search area and had already passed east of the search area.
By 27 March at Malaysia’s request the entire southern search area was abandoned with no attempt whatsoever to recover any of the debris sighted in the water.
For reasons which have no rational basis RV Ocean Shield departed Fremantle on or about 30 March and steamed North away from the debris towards HMS Echo which was searching above Zenith Plateau where RV Ocean Shield immediately reported a bogus underwater ULB detection.
It is quite possible that HMS Echo deliberately lowered devices to emit false pings from underwater in a deliberate deception campaign. There has never been any accounting for the activity of HMS Echo over Zenith Plateau prior to the arrival of RV Ocean Shield.
In my opinion there was a multi-national effort to discredit satellite sightings of debris spotted in the Southern Indian Ocean in March 2014.
It was also pointed out to me recently that some of the French Satphots (Lat/Long(s)) were included in the Malaysian Lido Hotel briefing (see top L/H corner):
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There could be an official explanation (that I have missed) but it would appear that these possible French satellite sightings never had SAR assets (surface or air) tasked to re-identify/verify...
MTF...P2
Ps Got some QON on MH370 you want asked? - For those international MH370 followers interested the next round of Australian Senate Estimates, where the powers to be at the ATSB will appear, is two weeks from now on the 27 February - Estimates (Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Legislation Committee) – Parliament of Australia http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Busi...O4.twitter