This has been on the table for a long while now, stinking to high heaven. Now that at least one journalist (or as Dolan refers Tendentious Blogger) the inestimable Ben Sandilands has picked up the whiff of corruption in the wind. Those who followed the development through the unspeakable prune threads have no need of background; those who did not may want to spend a quiet half hour, acquiring the knowledge need to fully realise what the Senate inquiry into the Pel-Air debacle really and truly meant to Australian credibility; as a first world aviation nation.
HERE - your starter for 10.
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Plane Talking_2
While we wait for brother Slats_11 to catch up, here is the start point for some pretty fancy research.
"K" -comment - The words Canley Vale, Andy Wilson, Cathy Sheppard or VH-PGW will mean little to many outside Australia. Norfolk Island and VH-NGA may mean something as that was a widely carried story. The focus of interest lays in the fact that neither of these accidents seem to have been reported to ICAO as per the book.
I find the similarities and parallels between the two 'missing' report intriguing. We know that the ATSB system for reporting is spot on, the TSBC tell us so. Whoever is ultimately responsible for the despatch of those reports clearly has a bullet proof system and clearly uses it, as every other report transmission has been made in a timely, proper manner; which begs the question. How did these two heavily criticised, highly suspect reports slip through the robust ATSB system net. It's probably just a coincidence that the same crew managed and edited both final reports, funny how things like that just happen. Must be one of them there 'aberrations'.
No doubt the word weasels are hard at, developing 'credible' excuses, I expect some wretched clerical type will get moved, an apology issued and all will be bright and rosy, once again in the DoIT garden. Terrific.
Selah..
HERE - your starter for 10.
Plane Talking_1
Plane Talking_2
While we wait for brother Slats_11 to catch up, here is the start point for some pretty fancy research.
Quote:P11_Slats.
This story keeps getting more and more murky. Plane talking today:\
Did Australia mislead ICAO over the Pel-Air crash? | Plane Talking
ICAO Third Meeting of the Asia Pacific Regional Aviation Safety Team (APRAST/3)\Appendix B (starts page 32) lists occurrences from 2002 - 2011.
No mention of PelAir at Norfolk Island.
http://www.icao.int/APAC/Meetings/20...G%20Report.pdf
The following document sets out the responsibilities of ICAO member states
http://www.airsafety.com.au/trinvbil/C619icao.pdf
This is the 2001 edition, which was in force at the time of the 2009 crash. The current edition (2010) is the same with regard to reporting responsibilities.
Page 7-2Incidents to aircraft over 5 700 kg
7.7 If a State conducts an investigation into an incident to an aircraft of a maximum mass of over 5 700 kg, that State shall send, as soon as is practicable after the investigation, the Incident Data Report to the International Civil Aviation Organization.
Perhaps it would be best if ICAO simply asked the Canadian TSB for a copy of their review. Don't think the severity is the explanation. Australian incidents reported to ICAO included gear collapse with no injuries. Based on this, a ditching with hull loss and significant injuries should meet the reporting threshold.
There may be some gamesmanship regarding class of operation. However the intent of the ICAO seems pretty clear. From what I have heard, a very senior ICAO person is surprised to be unaware of Norfolk.
Even more oddly, there are some incidents that were reported to ICAO for which there is no ATSB report (or at least, the ATSB report can not be found on the ATSB site). For example, the following PelAir / Rex incidents.
25/11/2004 VH-EEX Metro. Port gear collapsed on landing at Rockhampton ATSB reference 200404619 (I eventually found the ATSB record so ATSB know of incident, but could not locate the actual report).
3/4/2007 VH-KDO Metro Can’t find anything at all about this. Probably not major incidents but odd that they have been reported to ICAO and we can't find any ATSB report.
"K" -comment - The words Canley Vale, Andy Wilson, Cathy Sheppard or VH-PGW will mean little to many outside Australia. Norfolk Island and VH-NGA may mean something as that was a widely carried story. The focus of interest lays in the fact that neither of these accidents seem to have been reported to ICAO as per the book.
I find the similarities and parallels between the two 'missing' report intriguing. We know that the ATSB system for reporting is spot on, the TSBC tell us so. Whoever is ultimately responsible for the despatch of those reports clearly has a bullet proof system and clearly uses it, as every other report transmission has been made in a timely, proper manner; which begs the question. How did these two heavily criticised, highly suspect reports slip through the robust ATSB system net. It's probably just a coincidence that the same crew managed and edited both final reports, funny how things like that just happen. Must be one of them there 'aberrations'.
No doubt the word weasels are hard at, developing 'credible' excuses, I expect some wretched clerical type will get moved, an apology issued and all will be bright and rosy, once again in the DoIT garden. Terrific.
Selah..