08-08-2016, 10:02 PM
(08-07-2016, 07:30 PM)kharon Wrote: Outed! – by my mates; bugger it.
Contradiction, confusion, conspiracy and cock-up; words used in the endless cycle of theory, counter theory, new theory, old theory and reworked theory – all related to 370. This, from all spectrums; from the dedicated hard working ‘speciality groups, through independents to the fly-by-night chancers who make up stories by the mile and cut ‘em off as needed. What’s a simple country boy supposed to make of it all? That’s what I’d like to know; yes, I would. Why RR was 'not invited' is another - but I digress.
So, I asked a team of wise owls (who, by the way, we beat at darts) what they made of the general hodge-podge of white noise. “Well” says one worthy “it could be that something, somehow has gone awry; something worse than a maniac with a fully loaded aircraft, hell bent of making a statement”. “Ok” says I; “so, what could be worse?”. “What else needs this level of ‘jiggery-pokery’, smoke and mirrors then?
“Think grasshopper” intones the worthy as his comrades nod wisely and look at me. Just like the old days, thinks I, ask a question and the rotten old buggers happily sit back, supping ale, watching my poor old wooden head being tormented; delighting in destroying the half baked answers I can construct with plain, old fashioned logic. Not tonight; I vow it, no tortured brain cells for me; no sir-ee.
“Well”, I starts; “I reckon ET got it: pinched it; and buggered off to Mars”. That’ll hold ‘em I think. Nope; wrong again (curse it).
“Bollocks K” says owl two, (passive like) – “we know that you have a substituted the meaning of ET, you really mean Electronic Terrorism; we can discuss that here, among friends, if it pleases you”.
Thinks - How in the seven hells? – but denial was off the table; they knew. “Construe boy” says P7; “spit it out”. I can, when the gods favour me, beat the old man at darts, which I had – so it was a challenge not to be taken lightly; a fumble in the ruck now meant the beers my darts had won would be forfeit. I took a moment, knocked off a quarter pint and began.
“Well – there are only three arguments to which I cannot find a counter argument”. “Take for example the notion that the PIC was ‘the pilot’; it could have been any pilot” Then consider the argument that only a ‘skilled’ pilot could had ditched the aircraft in one piece – then consider ‘auto-land’”. “For every argument there is an equally compelling counter point”. "I have, I freely admit, given up the idle pastime of chasing the wild goose and fishing for red herrings”. “So, I begin at the front end – means, motive, opportunity, ‘skills’ and ‘specialised’ knowledge”. “Last to first – specialised knowledge; of computer systems”. “There are, in this world, some people with a frankly terrifying ‘knowledge’ of how computers work; how programs are written, how to access those programs, how to manipulate those programs; and, how to ‘interfere’ with every single one of ‘em”. “There are folk who know exactly how to gain entry into the most sophisticated of protection ‘systems’, they can do this without the knowledge of not only the average Joe; but, of the Joes who protect these systems”. "This is documented, provable, quantifiable and meets all the requirements of ‘truth’ being proven”. (N.B. I cunningly avoided mentioning the other two and seem to have gotten away with it – Shush).
“In short, gentlemen; there are more competent, qualified ‘hackers’ than there are pilots; lots more”. “Consider this, a flash drive, stuffed into an electronics bay port, by one determined individual, could have created all or any manner of electronic mayhem, throughout the entire aircraft’s systems”. “It is not beyond the bounds of logic that the aircraft was hi-jacked by it’s very own system”. “If: and it is a big, speculative IF this occurred, then only this would require and explain the level of ‘cover-up’ and ‘confused messages’ those outside of the inside circle are receiving; I rest my case”.
Well, no one fell about laughing and P7 got the next round in; which was a good thing, - all that talking made me bone dry. There was a quiet interlude during which ale was thoughtfully sipped : “Come” says the old man – “double or square the next rubber”.
Oh, I dare say, in due course, the wise owls will take my dissertation apart and carefully continue my inadequate education; they always do. But so long as I can win (again) at darts and manage a six pint order – I can and will continue to learn from older, wiser heads. One thing certain; I kept ‘em off my case tonight – tomorrow; well, we shall see.
That’s it. ET explained to the wise owls. But ‘tis my own pet theory; no facts to support it; no evidence to back it up; just my two bob, spent as best pleased me.
Toot toot.
PS; will someone, please, teach the thing in my back paddock how to use the bloody telephone- I can’t speak the lingo.
(08-07-2016, 09:49 PM)Gobbledock Wrote: 'K', interesting line of discussion, interesting indeed. Unfortunately I was unable to make it to the darts game. The kids up the road invited me to a night of throwing rocks on McComicks roof, pissing over his doorstep and poisoning his hedges. Sorry 'K', I just couldn't resist the offer!
So, let's say someone with an agenda inserted a flash drive in the avionics bay, relatively easy enough to do, and caused the ensuing accident, it leaves one question - why haven't they done it again? If it was terrorism related to ISIS they would have done what terrorists often do and 'test the waters'. If you can bring down one plane, especially if no evidence can be found, then you can bring down more! So could it have been a 'test run', a precursor to a bigger event where they bring down 10, 20 or 100 almost simultaneously?
Or if it was terrorist related were they targeting just one particular person, by going to all that work to bring down that specific flight? ISIS havent officially claimed responsibility, and there are clandestine operators that could pull off such a stunt. Mossad have the skill to do something as technical as this and so do the Russians. I'm not convinced the CIA would.
The possibilities are endless and probably won't end until some tangible evidence is unveiled. The unfortunate thing is that for me, it is the actions of numerous governments that raise the 'suspicion' stakes. We all know that governments are completely inept and couldn't tie their shoelaces successfully, but they are damn good at lying, deceiving, colluding and covering. And the actions of the Australians, Malaysians, Yanks, French and even the Chinese leaves a very putrid smell hanging in the air.
It definitely wasn't E.T because parts have been found. And the Bermuda Triangle is a long way away. And as for the 'aircraft glided onto the water' theory, I'm not so sure it was that simple. Maybe if it had been the Hudson River on a calm, tranquil and smooth day in daylight hours then yes that is plausible, and she may have floated for a while. But we are talking about MH370 at night, landing on some of the roughest and nastiest ocean in the world, and that's in relatively good weather. An area prone to sudden weather changes and seas as high as 15 story buildings. The odds that MH370 landed on water as smooth as ice and remained in one piece and even floated is totally unlikely. And at night, no moonlight, and with systems not working? C'mon.
I still wouldn't discount the aircraft being 'terminated' due to some sort of 'valuable cargo' onboard, whether that was physical cargo or whether it was 'human cargo' as in some valuable intellect travelling? Both can't be discounted. Some people can be worth quite a lot of money to the right organisation if they become dead!
One thing is certain - there are a lot of inaccuracies, unanswered questions, unusual reactions, and a worrying lot of effort put into subverting aircraft systems to try to cover the aircrafts track and heading. Pretty high level for a pilot who just wanted to top himself, don't you think?
Line of discussion continued on PT...
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Dan Dair
August 8, 2016 at 8:41 am
Hello again Sam,
I have two questions to ask;
It’s a subtle theory, which would circumvent a lot of the issues we’re arguing over on these pages, but...
Where exactly would the perpetrator of such a crime have plugged his memory-stick in.?
They would have to actually be in the cockpit or the electronics bay to gain access to the flight systems. I’d imagine someone would have noticed had either of those scenarios taken place.?
I do though accept that it is as plausible as the initial theories that a hijacker may have accessed the cockpit via the electronics bay.?
&
is “the thing in my back paddock” a euphemism.? (lol)
Sam Jackson
August 8, 2016 at 6:46 pm
Hullo Dan; fair questions. Hesitates, takes a deep breath and; -I guess the point I was struggling to make is a simple one. The general state of armed conflict between the warring 370 theory camps serves no purpose, except IMO, that of the deliberately obfuscated narrative line being spoon fed to the world. Even Ben (bless) falls into the trap, vigorously defending a position which cannot pass a simple test: that of ‘prove it’. So, again IMO, this frenzied tub thumping is being stage managed. That seems a reasonable proposition to me; but by whom and why, evade me. I have a little litmus test I use when the mood strikes and opportunity arises, I’ll mention, in passing, to someone in the supermarket or coffee shop “what do think about – xyz. Last time I did it, I was fascinated by the amount of folk who could not remember the first details about the German Wings tragedy. Some knew there had been a ‘suicide’ action; but could not remember the where, who or ‘what-fors’. They had a valid reason, horrible as it may be; to cling to and they moved on. Try it at a dinner party or BBQ when the subject of aviation arises. This is usually in the form of someone declaring they’ll never fly with ABC again because of Blah, blah, blah etc. Point, – well if and its still a very big IF, the pilot ‘dunnit’ then the matter would have been (IMO) dead, buried and forgotten ages back. It was an easy, if expensive way to end the speculation; same-same the GW story.
Favouring cock-up over conspiracy is a default setting; but reluctantly and with a great deal of ‘testing’ I am, ever so slowly, coming to the point where ‘conspiracy cover up’ has more runs on the board than my old stand-by. So why the smoke and mirrors? Must be a reason; same as the constant pot stirring of the theorists ; why keep the speculation ‘live’ and fluid? I am at a point where I could easily believe they shot the bloody thing down – 200 odd lives weighed against 2 or 3 thousand if there was a threat to repeat 9/11; that too would need a cover up of this magnitude. Same with the ET attack. Suppose it was an ET attack; imagine the absolute terror that would inflict on the world; that possibility would demand a major cover up effort and time would need to be ‘bought’ to build defences. Even if it all went horribly wrong and remote control of the aircraft failed – even so – the panic at high level would be massive; and, rightfully so. Which brings me right back to a cock-up needing a cover up; enough.
Sorry – just me on a hobby horse. Not to give away any ‘air-side’ secrets; suffice to say that where there is a will, there is a way. No security system is faultless and computers are terminally dumb, which is why they are so pedantic; they cannot think. Watch your own set next time Microsoft install a massive ‘update’, remotely, automatically and without a whisper of complaint from your unit. A couple of thousand ‘changes’ made, no problem. Ever pick up a computer virus – would your system know it was being invaded if not for the protections you run – No, it would not. It would simply perform as instructed by whatever ‘program’ held the keys to the kingdom. Can you imagine a modification which said at F350 open the cabin dump valve; take up a heading of XXX until position ABC; then proceed to DEF. No, well I can – see it every other day – I tell the computer ‘go to’ here, at this speed and be at this height by GHI, then fly this approach and land yourself. Guess what, the ‘box’ does it faultlessly and without question every time. Don’t steal an aircraft; just the box which drives it. End of.
The ‘thing’ in the paddock is a tale for another day; best saddle up and sod off now, lest Ben decides I’ve wasted his limited bandwidth with idle dribble and restricts me to 150 characters; or, sends me back to Aunty. Tweet –tweet.
Dan Dair
August 8, 2016 at 8:19 pm
It makes a nice change to see someone else rambling on, instead of it being me.!!!
I agree with much of the sentiment though.
As I said in an earlier post, the real problem is how little actual & verified FACTS are available in the public domain.
Governments & agencies may know a lot more, but if they do, they’re keeping quiet about it.
If they’re collectively keeping quiet about what they know, you’d generally call that a cover-up.?
Then again, the collective governments & agencies involved may actually know the same next-to-nothing that the rest of us know and they’re staying quiet out of embarrassment at that situation.???
MTF...P2