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The Planetalking article today is regarding Thursday's planned Tri-partite meeting between Malaysia, Australia & China in Kuala Lumpur - MH370 search review unlikely to deal with official lies - and Ben asks the question...

"...Will anyone at the tripartite review of the search for MH370 being held in Kuala Lumpur this Thursday have the guts to ask why Malaysia deliberately misled its partners about the course taken by the missing Boeing 777 from day one, back on 8 March 2014?..."

But what perked my interest was the comments from Simon Gunson, one of which attacked my fellow mod Kharon's earlier comment...

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Simon Gunson
Posted April 14, 2015 at 4:49 pm | Permalink
Ben is utterly correct about the lying.

For example Defence Minister Hishamuddin Hussein stated that MH370 had dived west from IGARI down to 5,000ft and that the pilot had thrown it around like a fighter plane to avoid radar.

Now in the 2015 Interim report they continue to lie, by now asserting that MH370 was seen on military radar flying west across Malaysia towards Penang. During 2014 RMAF flatly denied it was seen flying across Malaysia.

More importantly the 2015 Interim report timeline implies a minimum altitude flown between IGARI and Penang of 12,000 feet.

Yet on 17 March 2014 the Bangkok Post cited Air Marshal Monthon Sutchukorn saying that Thai military radar at Hat Yai never saw MH370 turn back from IGARI or fly back across Malaysia. Therefore how could Malaysia now claim their military radar saw this?
Hat Yai was a mere 95nm away from this alleged flight track and could easily spot any target at 12,000ft over this short range.

Furthermore, the 2015 alleges MH370 turned northwest towards Pelau Perak from 6nm south of Penang at 17:52 UTC. Previously in March 2014 Malaysia asserted MH370 overflew Pelau Perak at 18:02. To cover that 85nm distance in just ten minutes required a speed which could not be flown lower than 33,000 feet.

The entire Straits detour is a lie supported by false evidence.

Whilst INMARSAT data suggests MH370 flew south from Sumatra it only suggests that and it is open to different interpretation if the BTO transmission bias was assumed incorrectly.

By lying about fictitious radar sightings Malaysia has utterly misled the search effort.

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Simon Gunson
Posted April 14, 2015 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

@Sam Jackson perhaps you never read the article by Zaharie’s sister Sakinab?
Zaharie was a respected training captain who invited junior pilots back to his home out of “office hours” to sharpen their B777 skills on his home simulator in a friendly informal environment.

After the loss of MH370 Sakinab Shah received scores of letters and emails from pilots whom Zaharie had trained expressing their appreciation for his extra tutoring on his home simulator.

Your determination to imply this simulator was something sinister is a feeble attempt to accuse someone who was blameless.

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Now although I admire Simon's passion (like so many others) to solve and establish the truth with the tragic disappearance of MH370, I found this disassociated comment from Simon quite bizarre so I responded in turn:

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PAIN_P2
Posted April 14, 2015 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

@Simon Gunson not sure what you are reading but from the post off the auntypru.com/forum the B777 Captain quoted by @Sam Jackson was not implying anything, more like asking three questions that are amongst the many still being obfuscated by the Malaysian government.

“…I agree with P9; as the PAIN network senior 777 captain there are some questions which we have been discussing amongst ourselves, we believe the answers are important. It is the direct involvement of the ATSB rather than AMSA that provides an element of suspicion which impinges on and detracts from the credibility of any ATSB answer to those questions. For discussion:-

What was the information the FBI allegedly extracted from Captains personal computer?
Was this alleged information passed to the ATSB?
Was this information the reason why the search area switched further south?

We have discussed these questions at length and cannot reach a sensible consensus. Any fresh ideas would be more than welcome.
P777…”

I also question your statement…

“…More importantly the 2015 Interim report timeline implies a minimum altitude flown between IGARI and Penang of 12,000 feet…”

Where in the interim report did you extract that information? Pdf pg 20-29 that I can see never mentions FL120 as the altitude that MH370 tracked back across the Malaysian peninsula.

The bit about the Thai radar I agree suggests conflicting stories from Malaysian vs Thai (Military) authorities but the only reference in the interim report in regards to Thailand radar is the civilian radar,ref:pdf pg 22 subpara e)?? Or am I again missing something??

I totally agree that the Malaysians have been deceptive, obstructionist & secretive about what they know about MH370 from the time she 1st went dark. However I don’t think that means we can automatically discount the Malay account of where MH370 tracked to from its last known position.

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Now I know that everyone is entitled to their own opinion in what happened to MH370 but until you can find factual evidence that totally disproves someone else's theory, then their theory remains equally as valid as your own...P2

Ps Maybe I have misinterpreted Simon's comments or maybe he is privy to information that I am not? Therefore I invite Simon to the AuntyPru Forum so we can openly discuss...  

Pps Simon I will even see if I can track down P777 so he can join in the discussion...