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Bones; and the picking thereof.

Agree with “K” – Byron and ‘Iggins both, good crew.  But, there are a couple of contentious bones, which, IMO need to be chewed on.

For example; many of us have watched the ‘techs’ plug into the guts of an on board system and been amazed at the amount of information they can easily access and their seriously ‘in-depth’ knowledge of not only how the system works, but how to manipulate both system and data.  It’s about then you realise pilots are at the bottom of the systems knowledge food chain.  Once a Triple is off the deck, any of the  ‘techs’ could run rings around the crew, when it came to ‘manipulating’ any system to perform ‘as required’.  To claim pilots, exclusively, as the only beings able to manage the complexities of a system is not only untrue, but misleading.  It simply is not so.

Second bone of contention; ‘the Captain’ did it.  I will call bollocks here.  Not one of the many agencies involved (of the secret squirrel variety) have claimed ‘evidence’ to support the claim.  I imagine some fairly deep digging has been done, by some fairly clever folk and they have reported nothing to support the claim.  It would have been the answer to a pagans prayer had ‘proof’ been uncovered that it was all the PIC: or, any crew member for that matter.  It is the first, logical place to examine and, politically the most advantageous.  

This has not happened, rumours aplenty but of solid facts and supporting evidence the is absolutely nothing – leastwise, not published.

So, with respect and affection – I call Bollocks and will continue to do so; until someone, somewhere, places both facts and evidence to support theory on the table.

Next beers with Byron with be interesting; a debate? no doubt; but without malice, a mild mannered disagreement, leading to discussion and probably a headache – next day.

Let the games begin -

'That man again'...this time commentating from the sidelines on the growing ATSBeaker v Bailey feud.. :

Australian air safety investigators shun ‘rogue pilot’ MH370 theory

• Ean Higgins
  
• The Australian
  
• January 11, 2016 12:00AM
  

 


Australian veteran airline captain Byron Bailey. He says the oxygen deprivation, or hypoxia, scenario does not stack up.

 
Australian air safety investigators are sticking to their preferred ­theory that Malaysian Flight MH370 crashed after the pilots lost consciousness for lack of oxygen, despite mounting opinion in the aviation community that the “rogue pilot” captain hijacked his own aircraft.

As revealed by The Weekend Australian, Australian veteran fighter pilot and airline captain Byron Bailey has joined British pilot Simon Hardy in saying the oxygen deprivation, or hypoxia, scenario does not stack up.

He suggested the known facts point to the captain, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, flying the Boeing 777 for more than seven hours and ditching it in the Southern Ocean.

Captain Bailey yesterday told The Australian many in the aviation community believed Australian authorities were under pressure from Malaysia to stick with the “pilot hypoxia” theory because the alternative “rogue pilot” theory would be awkward for the Malaysian government since it could mean Zaharie took the plane and the lives of 239 ­people including his own in an act of political protest.

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Zaharie was a strong supporter of Malaysian opposition figure Anwar Ibrahim’s People’s Justice Party, and a relative.

A day before the doomed flight on March 8, 2014, Zaharie is believed to have attended Anwar’s court hearing that overturned his 2012 acquittal on sodomy ­charges, in what is widely seen as a politically motivated case.

“I have friends that say: ‘I smell a rat.’ ” Captain Bailey said.

“It could be a political act, and that would be embarrassing for the Malaysian government.”

While Australian authorities, in conjunction with Malaysian and Chinese officials, are co-ordinating the search for MH370, under international law Malaysia is responsible for the investi­gation. The search area was last month adjusted and now includes the area Captain Hardy identified as the likely resting place based on the controlled-ditching thesis.

Air Transport Safety Bureau spokesman Dan O’Malley said the authority was standing by its preferred unconscious aircrew theory. “The limited evidence available for MH370 was compared with three accident classes: an in-flight upset, an unresponsive crew/hypoxia event, and a glide event (generally characterised by a pilot-controlled glide),” Mr O’Malley said in a statement to The Australian.

“The final stages of the ‘unresponsive crew/hypoxia’ event-type appeared to best fit the available evidence for the final period of MH370’s flight when it was heading in a generally southerly direction.”

Not long into its flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, radio contact was lost with MH370, and its radar transponder signal disappeared, but Malaysian military radar tracked the plane flying back over Malaysia, including ­Zaharie’s home island of Penang, before turning south towards the Southern Ocean, where ­electronic satellite “handshake” data from the aircraft indicates it flew.

Captain Bailey says this shows the aircraft was under pilot control well after communications were lost, because had the pilots lost consciousness through ­hy­poxia, the autopilot would have continued the track to Beijing.

Captain Bailey also said an Australian government source had told him the FBI believed ­Zaharie hijacked the aircraft.

 
Roll up..roll up gents & ladies, place your bets...place your bets..who will come out on top will it be Beaker or Bailey; and will our esteemed, government & SMH endorsed MH370 Super Sleuth Muppet next appear with beard on or beard off; and does anyone really care?? Not really we just want to find the bloody aircraft - UFB 

Next to balance this all out in his usual systematic style, here is Ben's retort on the Oz article..

Good story about MH370 gets a bit hysterical

Ben Sandilands | Jan 11, 2016 7:52AM |

A commons media photo of the doomed jet 9M-MRO in service

The Australian today has become the last newspaper to discover that the ATSB thinks MH370’s pilots were incapacitated for the final hours of its flight to a crash site in the south Indian Ocean.

It has been saying that since late 2014, and on 3 December last year published a review of the data by the Australian Defence Science and Technology (DST) Group which presented a set of factual reasons supported by reasonable logic for coming to that conclusion.

That detailed analysis is completely ignored by Australian veteran fighter pilot and airline captain Byron Bailey in his nevertheless interesting rehashing last Saturday of the position long championed by British pilot Simon Hardy.

Instead Mr Bailey falls for the frankly ridiculous fabrication by the media of a climb to 45,000 feet by MH370 in order to kill the passengers and the rest of the crew by a deliberate depressurisation of the cabin.

There is no evidence such a climb occurred, and plenty of technical reasons well known to 777 pilots as to why such a climb would have been implausible at that stage of a flight which was already at 35,000 feet, where the same process would have produced the same result without risking the rest of the intended evil plot.

Mr Bailey also talks in vague generalities about the political affiliations of the captain of the lost jet, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, and says in the words of the paywalled report that many in the aviation community believed Australian authorities were under pressure from Malaysia to stick with the “pilot hypoxia” theory because the alternative “rogue pilot” theory would be awkward for the Malaysian government since it could mean Zaharie took the plane and the lives of 239 ­people including his own in an act of political protest.

That is not just disrespectful of the dead captain, but most definitely not universally believed by the piloting community. Mr Bailey doesn’t speak for the piloting community.
Many experienced airline pilots say that too little is known with precision about the loss of MH370 to start taking sides as to who did what to the 777-200ER which was on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on 8 March 2014 when it vanished.

Bailey’s views are despite this reasonable. He ought to take full responsibility for them without vague attribution to others.

He ought to retract the nonsense about 45,000 feet unless he can produce conclusive evidence to support that media rumour, that ran concurrently in March 2014 after the disappearance with one claiming the 777 flew close to the ground across the Malaysia peninsula. He ought to deal with the sequence of events up to the loss of signals from the jet in detail, without running away from them. Mr Bailey needs the guts to do more than make assertions, however reasonable some of them may be.

One of the problems with the MH370 saga is the quite obscene taking of sides as to whether the jet was under control, or not under control, until the last minute, in the all but complete absence of any factual resolution of the details of the final hours.

All that we do know is that the Malaysian authorities seriously compromised their credibility in their variable and misleading narratives about the crash, even up to and past the recovery of a flaperon from the wing of MH370 at the end of July last year.

We can also conclude that Boeing which has been advising the search, knows a thing or two about 777s, and has given excellent assistance to it in its modelling and analysis of the various paths, subject to a range of conditions, that the jet could have flown on its way to an elusive location on the floor of the south Indian

  

MTF...P2

Ps Fly on the wall?? Loving that Higgo is on the job, let's see Dolan squirm his way out of fronting up to be interviewed by 'that man' -    

P9 Edit - The beard is only to hide which foot he has in his mouth and to camouflage the change over.  ‘Iggins will do a good job, (hope it’s another ‘lunch’) but, the Mandarin and Byron should be invited along; just to round off the party.