Ummm…pardon my arrogance…but this exactly what the ATSB should be investigating…
Runway incursions like this worry people….I seem to remember some place in the Canary Islands, another one in Italy etc
Just because the situation was resolved presumably In this case by the controller sending the landing B737 round doesn’t mean we don’t want to know how such a serious runway incursion occurred in the first place….my experience, should take about a day, not the three years…
Just because certain incidents are serious ie Loss of Separation. Runway Incursion, etc doesn’t mean it takes a long time to work out the why it happened. Invariably Human Error…. Now trying to work out why the Human Error occurred is far more interesting but I don’t think ATSB should go there, despite their fumbling attempts that have been invariably wrong…
I have seen totally different outcomes by different investigators on the same incident / accident when investigators try and ‘divine”/‘snapshot” the mental model of the controller / pilot at the time of same….interesting how the unconscious cognitive biases of investigators can complicate matters…
It’s a group / cluster of these type of seemingly human error aerodrome control incidents of aircraft landing / taking off / lining up etc that has the FAA / NTSB seriously concerned at the moment, but to their credit they acknowledge them and are proactively addressing them….unlike another country, sigh!
P2 comment: Fair call Gentle and I totally agree with your assessment. I guess it was my cynicism for the motives of the ATSB conducting short investigations ATM (refer: Proof of ATSB delays and ICAO Annex 13 non-compliance?? (IE. Have they decided to investigate because on the other side of the world: "FAA / NTSB seriously concerned at the moment, but to their credit they acknowledge them and are proactively addressing them…." Ref: From the land of the Aviation Safety grownups!!)
Runway incursions like this worry people….I seem to remember some place in the Canary Islands, another one in Italy etc
Just because the situation was resolved presumably In this case by the controller sending the landing B737 round doesn’t mean we don’t want to know how such a serious runway incursion occurred in the first place….my experience, should take about a day, not the three years…
Just because certain incidents are serious ie Loss of Separation. Runway Incursion, etc doesn’t mean it takes a long time to work out the why it happened. Invariably Human Error…. Now trying to work out why the Human Error occurred is far more interesting but I don’t think ATSB should go there, despite their fumbling attempts that have been invariably wrong…
I have seen totally different outcomes by different investigators on the same incident / accident when investigators try and ‘divine”/‘snapshot” the mental model of the controller / pilot at the time of same….interesting how the unconscious cognitive biases of investigators can complicate matters…
It’s a group / cluster of these type of seemingly human error aerodrome control incidents of aircraft landing / taking off / lining up etc that has the FAA / NTSB seriously concerned at the moment, but to their credit they acknowledge them and are proactively addressing them….unlike another country, sigh!
P2 comment: Fair call Gentle and I totally agree with your assessment. I guess it was my cynicism for the motives of the ATSB conducting short investigations ATM (refer: Proof of ATSB delays and ICAO Annex 13 non-compliance?? (IE. Have they decided to investigate because on the other side of the world: "FAA / NTSB seriously concerned at the moment, but to their credit they acknowledge them and are proactively addressing them…." Ref: From the land of the Aviation Safety grownups!!)