Scrambled dots, for breakfast.
I know the post P2 post above is a long, long one – but P2’s dots are well worth joining, take some time and consider why AF is the convenient whipping boy; the noise of the beating masking the sounds of the chook shed being plundered
Willyleaks – Memo: don’t worry about the mirrors Jon, the smoke machine will do nicely.”
Thanks P2, I believe we are almost there; at the sticking point. AF in the USA responded quickly and, quite correctly to the NTSB concerns. Real changes, in real time were made by folk with a ‘can-do’ attitude. The FAA were never involved. NTSB spoke, AF responded and, quite correctly the warnings and remedies were not only heeded, but collaboratively acted upon. Much kudos to the USA and the system they use to ‘prevent’ accident, rather than prosecute those unfortunate enough to have one. Cost effective, safety based solutions to an acknowledged killer. Bravo the USA.
Did the Australian AF team follow their lead? You bet they did.
The only outfit that failed to respond in a positive manner seems to be CASA.
P2 – “IMO the above extract is a clear example of how the ICAO Annex 13 AAI system is supposed to work. Perhaps in the real world of international Annex 13 aviation safety investigation the ATSB would issue a similar safety recommendation to Angel Flight.”
Once again we see the NTSB saying to the operation “hey guys, there’s a problem here”. Seems AF has said “you’re right”. Then a solution was knocked out, applied and then everyone got on with job”. Safety management working as it is meant to – fantastic.
P2 – “However the odds of that happening are IMO extremely remote given the continued attempted embuggerance of AF by St Carmody and his Iron Ring minions”.
True dat. The ATSB (pre Hood) did issue a Safety Recommendation (SR) after a fatal in 2013. A second fatal accident triggered a second SR. This is a rare occurrence and ATSB used their most powerful tool in an attempt to get CASA to respond appropriately. Both SR are still, to this day, pending ‘Safety Action’.
This ongoing, unresolved saga can be traced back 16 years, to 2003.
When you join P2’s dots and spend a minute or two wondering why, once again, the lead of the NTSB was not followed; it was neatly and properly addressed, by all involved, great result. In Australia we have two SR outstanding and a sixteen year period of CASA telling ATSB “thanks for your opinion, don’t call us, we’ll call you”.
Classic example of a gutless regulator; terrified to engage directly in the SR – just in case any shadow of blame falls on them. Classic example of a cowardly regulator, preferring to hammer AF out of existence rather than acknowledge their chronic lack of positive operational safety action relying on ‘the law’ rather than operational common sense. A classic example of an ignorant regulator refusing to believe that anyone else could possibly know anything about positive operational safety enhancement. All of which paints a pretty grim picture; we could live with ineptitude; but foisting lies, damn and statistics on a Senate Committee is a chancy strategy. Mind you, stepping around Senate recommendations is considered a relaxation therapy session following the stress of morning tea.
Toot - toot.
I know the post P2 post above is a long, long one – but P2’s dots are well worth joining, take some time and consider why AF is the convenient whipping boy; the noise of the beating masking the sounds of the chook shed being plundered
Willyleaks – Memo: don’t worry about the mirrors Jon, the smoke machine will do nicely.”
Thanks P2, I believe we are almost there; at the sticking point. AF in the USA responded quickly and, quite correctly to the NTSB concerns. Real changes, in real time were made by folk with a ‘can-do’ attitude. The FAA were never involved. NTSB spoke, AF responded and, quite correctly the warnings and remedies were not only heeded, but collaboratively acted upon. Much kudos to the USA and the system they use to ‘prevent’ accident, rather than prosecute those unfortunate enough to have one. Cost effective, safety based solutions to an acknowledged killer. Bravo the USA.
Did the Australian AF team follow their lead? You bet they did.
The only outfit that failed to respond in a positive manner seems to be CASA.
P2 – “IMO the above extract is a clear example of how the ICAO Annex 13 AAI system is supposed to work. Perhaps in the real world of international Annex 13 aviation safety investigation the ATSB would issue a similar safety recommendation to Angel Flight.”
Once again we see the NTSB saying to the operation “hey guys, there’s a problem here”. Seems AF has said “you’re right”. Then a solution was knocked out, applied and then everyone got on with job”. Safety management working as it is meant to – fantastic.
P2 – “However the odds of that happening are IMO extremely remote given the continued attempted embuggerance of AF by St Carmody and his Iron Ring minions”.
True dat. The ATSB (pre Hood) did issue a Safety Recommendation (SR) after a fatal in 2013. A second fatal accident triggered a second SR. This is a rare occurrence and ATSB used their most powerful tool in an attempt to get CASA to respond appropriately. Both SR are still, to this day, pending ‘Safety Action’.
This ongoing, unresolved saga can be traced back 16 years, to 2003.
When you join P2’s dots and spend a minute or two wondering why, once again, the lead of the NTSB was not followed; it was neatly and properly addressed, by all involved, great result. In Australia we have two SR outstanding and a sixteen year period of CASA telling ATSB “thanks for your opinion, don’t call us, we’ll call you”.
Classic example of a gutless regulator; terrified to engage directly in the SR – just in case any shadow of blame falls on them. Classic example of a cowardly regulator, preferring to hammer AF out of existence rather than acknowledge their chronic lack of positive operational safety action relying on ‘the law’ rather than operational common sense. A classic example of an ignorant regulator refusing to believe that anyone else could possibly know anything about positive operational safety enhancement. All of which paints a pretty grim picture; we could live with ineptitude; but foisting lies, damn and statistics on a Senate Committee is a chancy strategy. Mind you, stepping around Senate recommendations is considered a relaxation therapy session following the stress of morning tea.
Toot - toot.