With regard to a Thing of Wonder, ie the Darwin TRA occurrence…
I posted the text below on the other PRU after reading 5 pages of confusing, erroneous, and occasionally intelligent comments.
It may spark further discussion on the serious issues Kharon has raised….
Posted 17 April 2923 on
> Separation issue involving Boeing 737, VH-VXH, and Airbus A320, VH-VGV, near Darwin
“Coming to this a bit late but…
Bloggs, like you I’ve listened and watched, audio via Live ATC and display by FR24, albeit at 12X (minimum on playback) Even made a little movie of it.
Hmmm, dog’s breakfast that and all, cat’s vomit and also in rodent droppings as well. Not sure the “breakfast” comment refers to the incident or the 5 pages of bulls$#t, stupid, irrelevant and occasionally intelligent, logical factual posts.
To start with the posted copy of the NOTAM seems to indicate at the bottom this TRA is happening for a couple of months, not just a one off with a RAAF controller having a shandy in the Darwin officers mess a couple of hours before the start of duty. Guess I’ll have a listen tonight to confirm.
With regard to alleged / rumoured TCAS, if what I observed n FR24 is correct if I got a TA or RA involving QFA839/JST672 I’d be faulting the equipment. Wouldn’t even have triggered a STCA in ATC land, Shirley… They never got within cooee of each other either in a vertical/lateral context. QANTAS asked JETSTAR did he want to play verticals. JETSTAR replied keep climbing. When QANTAS out of A080 on climb before going to BN Centre QANTAS checked JETSTAR‘S altitude and he was out of A060 on descent…and after a quick goodnight the tapes were silent.
So my click bait headlines QANTAS and JETSTAR try SODPROPS at Darwin in a TRA with only one runway will be saved for another time…
The ghost controller P. Rovidence smiled on aviation again. Had QANTAS pushed backed 2 mis later and JETSTAR inbound 1 or 2 mins earlier then it may have been more instructional to have a listen on how the professionals do it!
Just still not sure why QANTAS did a large left turn towards North East in the middle of it all.
Hope I’m still alive in 3 years when ATSB explains that and why and who submitted the occurrence to them in the first place.”
I posted the text below on the other PRU after reading 5 pages of confusing, erroneous, and occasionally intelligent comments.
It may spark further discussion on the serious issues Kharon has raised….
Posted 17 April 2923 on
> Separation issue involving Boeing 737, VH-VXH, and Airbus A320, VH-VGV, near Darwin
“Coming to this a bit late but…
Bloggs, like you I’ve listened and watched, audio via Live ATC and display by FR24, albeit at 12X (minimum on playback) Even made a little movie of it.
Hmmm, dog’s breakfast that and all, cat’s vomit and also in rodent droppings as well. Not sure the “breakfast” comment refers to the incident or the 5 pages of bulls$#t, stupid, irrelevant and occasionally intelligent, logical factual posts.
To start with the posted copy of the NOTAM seems to indicate at the bottom this TRA is happening for a couple of months, not just a one off with a RAAF controller having a shandy in the Darwin officers mess a couple of hours before the start of duty. Guess I’ll have a listen tonight to confirm.
With regard to alleged / rumoured TCAS, if what I observed n FR24 is correct if I got a TA or RA involving QFA839/JST672 I’d be faulting the equipment. Wouldn’t even have triggered a STCA in ATC land, Shirley… They never got within cooee of each other either in a vertical/lateral context. QANTAS asked JETSTAR did he want to play verticals. JETSTAR replied keep climbing. When QANTAS out of A080 on climb before going to BN Centre QANTAS checked JETSTAR‘S altitude and he was out of A060 on descent…and after a quick goodnight the tapes were silent.
So my click bait headlines QANTAS and JETSTAR try SODPROPS at Darwin in a TRA with only one runway will be saved for another time…
The ghost controller P. Rovidence smiled on aviation again. Had QANTAS pushed backed 2 mis later and JETSTAR inbound 1 or 2 mins earlier then it may have been more instructional to have a listen on how the professionals do it!
Just still not sure why QANTAS did a large left turn towards North East in the middle of it all.
Hope I’m still alive in 3 years when ATSB explains that and why and who submitted the occurrence to them in the first place.”