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McDo'Naut does naut on airports vs airlines war - Part IV

Just catching up but what a week of the Oz etc. media coverage on the airport imbroglio -  Rolleyes 

Starting in reverse from yesterday, the pragmatic Breuster is back in the headlines... Wink 


Quote:Costs crippling regional airports
[Image: 2e6223958908cddf8aef3247bc27d6a7]ROBYN IRONSIDE
While Australia’s major airports are among the most profitable in the world, it’s different for regional and remote aerodromes.



Regional airports struggling with costs, call for infrastructure fund

While Australia’s major airports are among the most profitable in the world, it’s a different matter for regional and remote aerodromes.

As the Productivity Commission inquiry into the economic regulation of airports casts a bright light on the industry in Australia, the challenges faced by council-run operations have been laid out.

Although legislation demands these airports meet similar standards of infrastructure, maintenance and security to metropolitan airports, sources of income are generally much fewer.

In a frank submission, former Regional Express (Rex) managing director Geoffrey Breust said a new approach to the funding of Australia’s regional and local airports was needed.

“Regional and local airports are unviable on a fully commercial basis,” Mr Breust said. “The high cost of infrastructure development, heavy repair and maintenance, compliance and general operating costs cannot be covered from the charging levels needed to maintain Australia’s regional and local airport system.”

It is a view shared by Australian Airports Association chief executive Caroline Wilkie.

She said that over the next decade, airports outside the major cities faced an expected 38 per cent increase in costs as a result of new and emerging infrastructure requirements.

At the same time, regional airports were under pressure not to increase charges, with some forced to reduce charges under the threat of airlines withdrawing their services.

In the case of King Island Airport off Tasmania’s northwest coast, increased charges prompted Rex to withdraw 30 per cent of its services.

In its submission to the PC inquiry, King Island Council said the increase was necessary to address mounting financial losses by the airport, which had blown out from $280,000 in 2016 to $470,000 this year.

The submission said the withdrawal of Rex, as the only airline servicing Tullamarine in Melbourne, had made a “dire impact” on tourism operators on the island.

“One business reported lost revenue of almost $150,000 in the month that the changes came into effect,” said the submission.

“This level of impact on a community the size of King Island is significant and the threat of such will hamper council’s decisions in considering how to best manage its assets for the good of the whole community.”

The submission also highlighted other difficulties regional councils faced in operating airports as a result of a federal government decision to hand over control in 1994.

King Island Council said attracting qualified and experienced aviation professionals to regional airports was a considerable challenge.

“Remote island airports such as King Island continue to either appoint good non-aviation people and attempt to train them up, or do the best they can recruiting on the limited remuneration they can offer,” said the council’s submission.

Mr Breust said a National Airport Infrastructure Fund was needed to provide grants to regional and local airports for approved major refurbishment and development works. He said part funding could be provided from a levy of 2.5 per cent on the non-aeronautical revenue collected by capital city airports, in recognition of the benefits they received from the wider air transport network.

Next with two for Thursday: 

Quote:Clip airports’ monopoly: ACCC

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The corporate watchdog says more needs to be done to stop airports ­exploiting their market power at consumers’ expense.




The organisation responsible for monitoring prices at Australia’s four biggest airports says more needs to be done to stop them exploiting their market power at consumers’ expense. 

The Australian Competition & Consumer Commission’s submission to the Productivity Commission inquiry into the economic regulation of airports calls for commercial arbitration to even up the bargaining power in negotiations with airlines.

ACCC chairman Rod Sims said some form of regulation was needed to address high aeronautical charges imposed on airlines, which had no option but to pay to use the major ­gateways.

Figures quoted in the ACCC submission show airlines paid an additional $1.3 billion in aeronautical charges to Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth airports over the past 10 years.

“It stands to reason that someone with a monopoly position is going to price and behave accordingly, so what we’re saying is, let’s put a logical curb on that to get a more efficient outcome and benefit consumers,” Mr Sims said. “I don’t think having recourse to commercial arbitration is much of a burden — it really just balances out the bargaining power.”

While airports insisted aeronautical charges formed only a small portion of airfares, Mr Sims was confident lower charges would mean cheaper fares. “If airlines’ cost base goes down I think the logical outcome is that prices would go down,” he said.

The ACCC also wants to expand its monitoring of car-­parking costs.

Mr Sims said it was in an airport’s interest to raise charges on people who provide alternatives to parking, such as hire cars, taxis and off-airport parking.

“We think we can be helpful to consumers by helping them understand their options and also to monitor how the competitors to airport parking are being treated,” he said.



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ACCC urges bigger airport stick
[Image: b0f9a6eccc729cb6c71ed44fc129903f]ROBYN IRONSIDE
The ACCC has called for the regulation of “exploitative” airports to halt rip-offs due to abuse of market power.


Australia’s competition watchdog has called for effective regulation of the major airports to stop them exploiting their market power to the detriment of consumers.

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission has today published its submission to the Productivity Commission inquiry into the economic regulation of airports.

ACCC chair Rod Sims said the current light-handed regime was not effective in constraining behaviour because there was no credible threat of regulation.

Mr Sims said the main example of that was high aeronautical charges imposed by airports on airlines.

Over the last decade revenue per passenger had increased in real terms by 59 per cent at Perth Airport, 36 per cent at Brisbane, 31 per cent at Melbourne and 15 per cent at Sydney Airport.

Despite the more subdued rate of increase in Sydney, the ACCC submission said the country’s biggest airport still maintained the highest revenue per passenger of the four airports.

“The increases across the four airports over the past decade represent an additional $1.3 billion in payments from airlines,” the submission said.

“Despite these significant increases in charges, only Perth Airport has materially improved its overall quality of service.

“The ratings for the other airports have changed little over this period, typically ranging from ‘satisfactory’ to ‘good’.”

Mr Sims said a more effective regulatory regime was needed to address high aeronautical charges.

“While commercially negotiated outcomes are preferred, there is an imbalance in bargaining power between monopoly airports and airlines, particularly small airlines,” he said.

“To achieve this, the airlines need better access to information and recourse to commercial arbitration if a commercial deal cannot be struck.”

He also called for the PC to consider whether other major airports, such as Adelaide and Canberra, should be subject to similar types of regulatory oversight as the four monitored airports.

In relation to carparking and landside access costs, Mr Sims said current monitoring arrangements should continue.

“Unlike for aeronautical services, there does not appear to be an obvious more effective approach to regulating car parking and landside access services,” he said.

“Further, monitoring and advising consumers may be more effective in relation to car parking than aeronautical services because there are some other ground transport options available.”

The Australian Airports Association wants an end to the monitoring of airport carpark costs because of the regulatory burden to members.

The AAA’s submission to the PC inquiry also argued the current light-handed monitoring regime was working well as demonstrated by the considerable investment airports had made to facilities.

Last but not least, from a busy Ironsider this week in the Oz:


Quote:Virgin, airport at odds on charges

[Image: 76c3bf63e86c51a0d8310f23952b3d13]ROBYN IRONSIDE
Virgin Australia has called for ­urgent changes to the way airports impose charges.




Virgin Australia has called for ­urgent changes to the way airports impose charges at the same time as Australia’s biggest airport insists it has no ability or in­centive to overcharge airlines or passengers.

In separate submissions to a Productivity Commission ­inquiry into the economic regulation of airports, Virgin Australia and Sydney Airport have laid out divergent views of the current monitoring system.

Virgin Australia says the light-handed regime ­allows airports to increase prices and reduce the quality of services offered. “The cost of airport use is ­becoming an increasingly urgent issue for Virgin Australia as these charges have risen, and are likely to continue to increase, inappropriately in the absence of any ­effective constraint on airports,” the submission says.

However, Sydney Airport, which last month posted a $174 million half-year profit, said the threat of the current regulatory regime was “real and sufficient to constrain any exercise of market power”.

It also suggested the airlines were not shy of exercising their own power by “refusing to pay or delaying payment of charges for aeronautical services while continuing to use airport services”.

“In such circumstances, airports cannot in practice deny ­access to an airline, and must continue to negotiate and compromise until an agreement is reached,” the submission says.

“This shifts the pressure of reaching a timely agreement from airlines to the airport.”

Although Sydney Airport ­acknowledged the need for certain airlines to fly there as the main gateway to Australia, the submission says it was a “mutually dependent relationship”.

“Sydney Airport is beholden to its customers as much as its customers are beholden to Sydney Airport,” it says.

Virgin Australia’s submission argued that airports held all the power in negotiations.

“Airlines cannot credibly threaten to withdraw services from most airports, as doing so would typically inflict much greater harm on the airline than the airport,” its submission says.

“For an airline it would have a significant impact on their network reach and the strength of their customer proposition.”

Meanwhile Virgin’s low-cost partner Tigerair will withdraw its business from a Philippines’ heavy maintenance facility after a 737 had to be grounded for three weeks upon return to Australia from a regular check.

Problems with the cockpit voice recorder and cargo smoke detection system were apparently overlooked by engineers.

The airline had used the SIA Engineering facility for the past two years but is now expected to move its business to Singapore.
 
And finally from tail-end of last week, via the Mildura Weekly:
 
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By JOHN DOOLEY

IN a second sudden announcement, Regional Express Airlines (Rex) has confirmed it will no longer fly direct from Mildura to Sydney from October 27.

Rex had been running flights from Mildura to Sydney on most days of the week.

The announcement came on Wednesday, with Rex again citing increased Mildura Airport charges as the primary reason for the service cut, while also revealing a new five-year partnership with Griffith City Council that will see the airline maintain and expand its services. 

In July this year, Rex announced that it was reviewing its services into Mildura on all routes as a result of cost structure changes at Mildura Airport, something airport management has strenuously disputed was a valid reason.

In response to Rex’s announcement, Mildura Airport Chair Peter O’Donnell said the airline’s decision to cut its service between Mildura and Sydney was disappointing, but not surprising.
“It’s not surprising because Rex has stated publicly that it is under great pressure due to Australia’s current pilot shortage, and I think that has been a major factor in Rex’s decision,” he said.

“It’s disappointing because it means people in Sunraysia will have reduced choice.

“We haven’t yet heard from Rex officially, so we’re not sure when they plan to stop offering this particular route. I suggest any concerned passengers get in contact with the airline and seek clarification.”

In July, Rex signalled that it was reviewing its services into Mildura due to increased charges at Mildura Airport, charges Mr O’Donnell said were justifiable and not excessive.

“For Rex, our proposed increase is about two dollars on a ticket. We kept it as low as possible – the same as half a cup of coffee – so the impact would be barely noticeable,” he said.

“I’m sure that everyone agrees that it is imperative that Mildura Airport continues to pay its own way. That means occasionally, and reluctantly, we have to increase costs like any other business.”

Member for Mallee Andrew Broad described Rex’s decision to cut the direct link to Sydney as an “appalling loss for the prosperity of our community” and that “Mildura Council has to share some responsibility for this.”

“For the Mayor to say that another commercial operator may take the route up is unrealistic, because getting a slot into Sydney airport is almost impossible and now we have lost that,” he said.

Mr Broad said Griffith has been able to strike a deal for a $129 ‘community airfare’ and yet Griffith is further from Sydney than Mildura is to Melbourne.

“It shouldn’t have been unreasonable for the Mildura Council to have been able to negotiate a similar deal for a special fare of around $125 between Mildura and Melbourne and to similarly make efforts to secure the Sydney route,” he said.

“This about making sure our inland cities are connected and here we are losing connections instead of gaining them. 

“Under my new role as Assistant Minister to the Deputy Prime Minister I will be arranging to meet with Rex to ensure the future of regional services to and from Mildura.”

Responding to Mr Broad’s comments, Mildura Mayor Mark Eckel said that Council supports Mildura Airport in relation to its position on air services in our region and will continue to work with its board.
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Oh Murky and Beaker what have you created -  Big Grin


MTF...P2  Tongue

Ps From the above article it looks like miniscule McDo'Naught has hand-passed the airport bun fight to his assistant??

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RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 06-13-2019, 10:54 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 06-17-2019, 07:58 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 06-17-2019, 08:07 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 06-24-2019, 07:26 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 06-24-2019, 11:09 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 06-25-2019, 08:33 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 06-30-2019, 11:34 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 06-30-2019, 08:19 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-04-2019, 09:46 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-05-2019, 02:10 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-10-2019, 11:04 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Cap'n Wannabe - 07-12-2019, 05:02 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-12-2019, 12:06 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-12-2019, 11:00 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 07-15-2019, 08:14 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-19-2019, 02:37 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 07-22-2019, 08:16 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-27-2019, 10:25 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-30-2019, 05:50 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-31-2019, 10:34 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-31-2019, 11:07 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-01-2019, 02:36 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-05-2019, 08:16 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 08-06-2019, 09:18 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-07-2019, 08:42 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-07-2019, 08:59 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-08-2019, 06:36 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 08-08-2019, 07:18 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-09-2019, 05:35 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 08-11-2019, 09:42 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-12-2019, 09:17 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 08-13-2019, 07:50 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-13-2019, 10:09 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-14-2019, 09:11 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-16-2019, 12:21 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-18-2019, 10:37 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-20-2019, 10:28 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-20-2019, 11:21 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Sandy Reith - 08-20-2019, 11:16 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 08-21-2019, 08:37 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-22-2019, 06:45 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-27-2019, 08:04 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-27-2019, 05:09 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 08-27-2019, 05:55 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 09-05-2019, 08:31 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 09-06-2019, 10:53 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 09-07-2019, 10:22 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 09-07-2019, 09:09 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 09-19-2019, 09:03 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 09-19-2019, 08:45 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 09-21-2019, 08:52 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 09-23-2019, 06:10 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 09-23-2019, 09:46 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 09-23-2019, 03:42 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 09-24-2019, 08:52 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 09-24-2019, 02:38 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 09-25-2019, 09:43 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 10-14-2019, 08:00 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 10-15-2019, 07:58 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-15-2019, 09:24 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 10-16-2019, 07:21 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-23-2019, 08:11 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 10-23-2019, 07:37 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 10-25-2019, 07:54 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-26-2019, 10:29 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 10-29-2019, 06:56 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-30-2019, 12:19 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 10-30-2019, 07:43 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-06-2019, 09:12 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-21-2019, 01:26 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 11-22-2019, 05:58 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-27-2019, 11:16 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 12-06-2019, 10:49 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 11-28-2019, 06:05 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-28-2019, 09:31 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 11-28-2019, 08:04 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-29-2019, 01:43 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 11-29-2019, 08:13 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 12-04-2019, 07:30 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 12-05-2019, 07:18 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 12-06-2019, 11:40 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 12-09-2019, 05:42 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 12-10-2019, 07:35 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 12-10-2019, 01:37 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 12-10-2019, 06:26 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 12-17-2019, 06:56 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 12-20-2019, 08:27 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 12-23-2019, 08:24 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 12-25-2019, 06:50 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 12-27-2019, 01:40 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 12-26-2019, 06:58 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 12-26-2019, 06:31 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 12-31-2019, 08:28 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-03-2020, 10:10 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 01-13-2020, 09:25 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 01-14-2020, 07:05 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-15-2020, 11:55 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-16-2020, 07:32 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Sandy Reith - 01-16-2020, 09:19 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-16-2020, 09:46 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-16-2020, 07:30 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-17-2020, 07:07 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 01-19-2020, 10:13 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-24-2020, 08:00 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-24-2020, 10:43 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 01-24-2020, 02:55 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 01-24-2020, 07:52 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-26-2020, 08:43 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-27-2020, 10:36 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-28-2020, 05:56 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 01-29-2020, 07:40 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-06-2020, 11:40 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 02-07-2020, 08:29 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-07-2020, 11:36 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 02-08-2020, 01:40 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-13-2020, 10:38 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-15-2020, 08:21 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-23-2020, 11:22 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-28-2020, 09:49 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-03-2020, 10:25 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-05-2020, 11:46 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Sandy Reith - 03-05-2020, 03:19 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 03-05-2020, 03:46 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Sandy Reith - 03-05-2020, 11:19 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 03-06-2020, 08:28 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 03-07-2020, 06:49 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-07-2020, 09:50 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 03-11-2020, 08:59 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-17-2020, 10:32 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-18-2020, 12:19 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-19-2020, 11:11 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-20-2020, 08:36 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 04-01-2020, 10:24 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 04-03-2020, 11:47 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 04-05-2020, 06:49 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 04-08-2020, 11:32 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 04-10-2020, 08:09 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 04-11-2020, 04:53 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 04-17-2020, 08:59 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 04-23-2020, 04:21 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 04-24-2020, 11:25 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 04-25-2020, 07:01 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 04-25-2020, 10:42 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 04-26-2020, 08:59 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 05-06-2020, 10:47 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 05-12-2020, 07:45 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 05-13-2020, 09:59 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 05-13-2020, 12:44 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 05-23-2020, 10:37 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 05-25-2020, 08:19 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 05-31-2020, 08:32 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 06-01-2020, 08:22 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 06-03-2020, 06:11 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 06-05-2020, 10:41 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 06-06-2020, 03:45 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 06-12-2020, 10:06 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 06-25-2020, 08:17 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-01-2020, 10:54 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-08-2020, 10:35 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 07-09-2020, 08:17 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-16-2020, 12:14 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 07-16-2020, 07:49 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-16-2020, 11:31 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-28-2020, 10:04 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-31-2020, 01:25 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-08-2020, 10:10 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 08-11-2020, 08:23 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-19-2020, 07:25 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-25-2020, 08:00 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Sandy Reith - 08-26-2020, 11:15 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 08-26-2020, 09:48 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 09-04-2020, 10:24 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 09-04-2020, 01:26 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Sandy Reith - 09-04-2020, 02:33 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 09-04-2020, 03:21 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 09-04-2020, 07:40 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 09-04-2020, 08:07 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 09-05-2020, 11:08 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 09-15-2020, 07:49 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 09-18-2020, 10:54 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 09-30-2020, 10:22 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Sandy Reith - 09-30-2020, 04:37 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 09-30-2020, 08:59 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 10-01-2020, 07:55 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 10-11-2020, 07:52 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-15-2020, 07:19 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 10-15-2020, 09:29 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-16-2020, 08:55 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-20-2020, 02:44 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-24-2020, 08:08 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-22-2020, 09:42 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 10-25-2020, 06:23 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-29-2020, 10:58 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-10-2020, 08:26 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 11-11-2020, 05:44 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-14-2020, 09:28 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-17-2020, 09:55 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 11-17-2020, 06:37 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 11-18-2020, 02:25 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-27-2020, 02:24 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 12-08-2020, 07:00 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 12-08-2020, 07:23 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-01-2021, 08:47 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-02-2021, 06:54 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-02-2021, 06:30 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 01-02-2021, 07:09 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-04-2021, 06:11 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-19-2021, 10:13 AM
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RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-12-2021, 06:25 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-13-2021, 08:13 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-14-2021, 10:55 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-16-2021, 06:32 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-27-2021, 07:37 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-03-2021, 09:53 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-12-2021, 10:17 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-17-2021, 12:58 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 02-23-2021, 05:55 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-27-2021, 09:46 AM
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RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-09-2021, 07:32 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-18-2021, 09:00 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 03-21-2021, 05:58 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 03-22-2021, 07:47 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 03-23-2021, 06:48 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 03-24-2021, 07:15 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 04-08-2021, 10:36 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Sandy Reith - 04-09-2021, 03:40 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 04-09-2021, 07:43 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 04-29-2021, 10:11 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 05-27-2021, 09:19 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 05-28-2021, 11:32 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 05-31-2021, 08:18 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 06-01-2021, 06:44 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Sandy Reith - 06-02-2021, 10:03 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 06-02-2021, 11:20 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 06-09-2021, 11:59 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 06-10-2021, 05:16 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 06-17-2021, 08:15 AM
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