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Shame or Fame for McCormack.

(11-28-2019, 08:04 PM)P7_TOM Wrote:  And; they get paid, for this?

I am truly beginning to believe that both parliamentary party leaders, under advice from the mandarins are deliberately, with foreknowledge, side stepping the steaming piles of Pony-pooh laying about the ‘corridors of power’. IMO ‘they know’ just what a mess the air safety management and support systems is really in; but dare not acknowledge it. The ‘red face’ brigade, stretching back a decade or two would be horrified if their bipartisan, blind eye, reliance on expert advice and the constant stream of ‘kool-aide’ being fed to them from the “safety agencies” turned out to be a dose bullshit to baffle brains.

It is so easy to keep paying the protection money demanded, dodge the bullets, go ‘bipartisan’ and send out endless condolences to the aggrieved. “Our ‘expert advice’ is::::

I would like to know how many sitting members even read the Angel Flight reports and Hansard from the Angel Flight fiasco; let alone read and understood the rubbish ATSB presented and the lunacy of the CASA response and understood it. Not too many I’d bet. The greatest lie and inexcusable response “Oh, CASA did it, they are the experts and they must be right.

“Air Safety is our prime concern” - BOLLOCKS!!

For the deaf, the dumb and the blind :



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P7 asked: And; they get paid, for this? - Yep and the rort has been going on for how long??

Since this is on the useless NFI miniscule's thread here is a M&M post from a slight step back in time with words of wisdom at the end from none other than Sandy... Rolleyes

 
(02-27-2018, 08:17 AM)Peetwo Wrote:  
Quote:McCormack’s rise shows paucity of talent within politics

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New Deputy Prime Minister and new Nationals leader Michael McCormack in his office at Parliament House in Canberra. Picture: Kym Smith

The Australian12:00AM February 27, 2018

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DENNIS SHANAHAN
POLITICAL EDITOR Canberra

When the first Abbott government ministry was named after the Coalition’s election victory in 2013, the last person listed in ­descending order of importance was Nationals MP Michael ­McCormack, named as the “parliamentary secretary to the minister for finance”.

That was less than five years ago, and yesterday the former newspaper editor and MP for Riverina in southwest NSW vaulted to No 2 on the ministerial list as Deputy Prime Minister and ­Nationals leader.

Looking like a vacuum in the space left by the larger-than-life Barnaby Joyce, just eight years after entering parliament, the see-through McCormack has become Deputy Prime Minister and the man to hold the reins when Malcolm Turnbull is absent.

But this is not because of some meteoric rise or undeniable brilliance that has pushed McCormack to the top of his party and into the most senior and secret councils of Australian government; it’s a result of paucity of ­talent within the Nationals and, unfortunately, a symptom of a wider diminishing experience and talent in federal politics.

The churn of leaders, ministers and MPs on all sides since the fall of the Howard government and the beginning of a dismal decade of political power plays and ­voracious publicity has dramatically reduced the experience of our federal parliamentarians and the quality of government.

There are now only four ­Coalition ministers with experience from the Howard government, all Liberals: Turnbull, Julie Bishop, Christopher Pyne and Peter Dutton. There are only 12, including those four, from the first Abbott ministry of 2013 in frontline positions. The other eight surviving Abbott ministers are Nigel Scullion (the only National), Greg Hunt, Scott Morrison, Mathias Cormann, Mitch Fifield, Marise Payne, Michael Keenan and Michaelia Cash.

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In 2013, even after seven years in opposition, Tony Abbott, who had become leader of the Liberal Party after 15 years in parliament and prime minister after 19 years’ service, named 22 ministers and parliamentary secretaries who had served under John Howard.

After running on a record of “experience” in government and demanding Labor give government “back to the adults” in 2013 the Coalition is looking decidedly short of long-term experience.

Since Turnbull became Prime Minister there are or have been sitting on the backbench a former prime minister, a former deputy prime minister, a former treasurer and more than a dozen former senior and junior ministers.

The biggest single loss of ­Coalition ministerial experience was after the Turnbull removal of Abbott as prime minister in 2015 when Abbott, Joe Hockey, Kevin Andrews, Eric Abetz, Ian Macfarlane and Bruce Bilson — all Howard ministers — were dumped to the backbench.

Joyce’s move yesterday from the frontbench to the cockies’ corner of the Nationals backbench in the House of Representatives is just another bleeding of political talent and experience from the Coalition and the body politic.

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New Nationals leader Michael McCormack in question time yesterday. Picture: Gary Ramage

But McCormack’s rise to ­leader after less than 10 years in parliament and five years on the frontbench is not an aberration: Joyce himself was elected in 2016 as ­Nationals leader less than 10 years after entering the Senate and less than three years after being elected to the House of Representatives. In contrast his predecessor, Warren Truss, was in parliament from 1990 and elected leader only 17 years later.

Instead of long-term ministries building experience in governance, the turmoil of leadership challenges creates a ministerial turnover that leaves governments in exile sitting on the backbench and ripe for retirement and further loss of experience.

On the Labor side, Mark ­Latham, Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard and Bill Shorten were elected Labor leader with barely 10 years’ experience or much less, and with virtually no experienced ministers to call upon.

Rudd, who joined parliament the same year as Gillard, became prime minister in less than 10 years, and Gillard replaced him when she had barely more than 10 years’ ­experience.

When Rudd was elected in 2007 — after Labor was in opposition for more than 11 years — there were only two MPs with any experience in the former Keating government he named in his first ministry: John Faulkner and ­Warren Snowdon.

Today, after five years in opposition, there are 15 members of the Labor frontbench, including Shorten, who can boast relatively long ministerial experience in the Rudd and Gillard governments, including Anthony Albanese, a former deputy prime minister, Tanya Plibersek, Penny Wong, Chris Bowen, as a former ­treasurer, Tony Burke, Richard Marles, Joel Fitzgibbon, Mark Butler, Mark Dreyfus, Jenny Macklin, Brendan O’Connor, Julie Collins, Catherine King, Jason Clare and Ed Husic and Shayne Neumann as parliamentary secretaries.

It is now Labor’s strategy to portray the Turnbull government as being in chaos, divided and unable to govern as ministers are pushed aside or forced to resign.

Sandy as ususal never lets an opportunity go by... Wink

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To Dennis’s contention that Ministers lack experience one could add that they have deliberately distanced themselves from the responsibilities of government. As just one example, but a common practice from both sides of politics, Mr. Albanese relinquished control of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau by turning it into yet another statutory Commonwealth body. In a long winded speech (mid 2009) he explained that the move would eliminate any political interference and that the ATSB’s independence would ensure a high standard of work, reporting as it does particularly on aviation safety. Many would now question it’s performance since ‘independence’, not least being it’s tarnished report into the ditching of a Rex subsidiary aircraft at Norfolk Island.

This move away from Ministerial responsibility was again recently highlighted by Barnaby Joyce attempting to excuse the movement to his electorate from Canberra of a Commonwealth bureaucracy, another independent statutory body, Not his business says Barnaby, being independent it goes and presumably does just about whatever it feels like.

You name them, Meat Australia, AirServices (OneSky fiasco), the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (ruination of General Aviation) and numerous others all paying their CEOs more than the Minister that once had direct responsibility for their functions. We have to pay commercial rates say they.

Even the basic function of Parliamentary representatives has been severely downgraded, the proliferation of Ombudsmen in place of your MP. The theatrical Parliamentary farce known as Question Time another example. Dennis is quite right, our democracy is diminished, the trend is clear and has been for many years. Alex in the Rises.

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P2 comment: The 2009 Albo speech (and context) mentioned by Sandy features in this 'dots and dashes' post -  The beginning of the end for the ATSB

"...Enhanced independence will result from a combination of factors. The ATSB will alone be responsible for administering the functions of the Transport Safety Investigation Act 2003 and exercising its investigation powers. There will be the capacity for the Minister to provide notice of his or her views on the strategic direction for the ATSB, to which the ATSB must have regard. However, other than the ability for the Minister to require the ATSB to investigate a particular matter, the ATSB will not be subject to a direction from anyone with respect to the exercise of its powers and functions.


The creation of a statutory agency will also give the ATSB discretion and responsibilities in its own right under the Public Service Act 1999 and Financial Management and Accountability Act 1997 with respect to the management of its staff and resources. The ATSB will, therefore, have operational independence with respect to the exercise of its investigation powers and functional independence with respect to the administration of its resources..."

Gotta ask yourself when was the last time that we had elected political leaders/PMs/DPMs/Ministers/Statesman that actually did what they are elected to do and properly over-sighted the machinations of Government? 



MTF...P2  Cool   

Ps Here's a thought was Mick Mack the bureaucracy's and Iron Ring pick for a puppet minister? Did the thought of mad old Barnaby possibly exposing their corrupt status quo was just too much of a risk?  Shy
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Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 07-23-2018, 07:54 AM
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RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-20-2019, 11:21 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Sandy Reith - 08-20-2019, 11:16 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 08-21-2019, 08:37 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-22-2019, 06:45 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-27-2019, 08:04 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-27-2019, 05:09 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 08-27-2019, 05:55 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 09-05-2019, 08:31 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 09-06-2019, 10:53 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 09-07-2019, 10:22 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 09-07-2019, 09:09 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 09-19-2019, 09:03 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 09-19-2019, 08:45 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 09-21-2019, 08:52 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 09-23-2019, 06:10 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 09-23-2019, 09:46 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 09-23-2019, 03:42 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 09-24-2019, 08:52 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 09-24-2019, 02:38 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 09-25-2019, 09:43 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 10-14-2019, 08:00 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 10-15-2019, 07:58 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-15-2019, 09:24 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 10-16-2019, 07:21 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-23-2019, 08:11 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 10-23-2019, 07:37 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 10-25-2019, 07:54 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-26-2019, 10:29 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 10-29-2019, 06:56 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-30-2019, 12:19 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 10-30-2019, 07:43 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-06-2019, 09:12 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-21-2019, 01:26 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 11-22-2019, 05:58 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-27-2019, 11:16 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 12-06-2019, 10:49 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 11-28-2019, 06:05 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-28-2019, 09:31 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 11-28-2019, 08:04 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-29-2019, 01:43 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 11-29-2019, 08:13 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 12-04-2019, 07:30 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 12-05-2019, 07:18 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 12-06-2019, 11:40 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 12-09-2019, 05:42 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 12-10-2019, 07:35 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 12-10-2019, 01:37 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 12-10-2019, 06:26 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 12-17-2019, 06:56 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 12-20-2019, 08:27 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 12-23-2019, 08:24 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 12-25-2019, 06:50 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 12-27-2019, 01:40 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 12-26-2019, 06:58 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 12-26-2019, 06:31 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 12-31-2019, 08:28 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-03-2020, 10:10 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 01-13-2020, 09:25 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 01-14-2020, 07:05 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-15-2020, 11:55 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-16-2020, 07:32 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Sandy Reith - 01-16-2020, 09:19 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-16-2020, 09:46 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-16-2020, 07:30 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-17-2020, 07:07 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 01-19-2020, 10:13 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-24-2020, 08:00 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-24-2020, 10:43 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 01-24-2020, 02:55 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 01-24-2020, 07:52 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-26-2020, 08:43 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-27-2020, 10:36 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-28-2020, 05:56 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 01-29-2020, 07:40 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-06-2020, 11:40 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 02-07-2020, 08:29 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-07-2020, 11:36 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 02-08-2020, 01:40 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-13-2020, 10:38 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-15-2020, 08:21 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-23-2020, 11:22 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-28-2020, 09:49 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-03-2020, 10:25 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-05-2020, 11:46 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Sandy Reith - 03-05-2020, 03:19 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 03-05-2020, 03:46 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Sandy Reith - 03-05-2020, 11:19 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 03-06-2020, 08:28 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 03-07-2020, 06:49 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-07-2020, 09:50 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 03-11-2020, 08:59 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-17-2020, 10:32 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-18-2020, 12:19 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-19-2020, 11:11 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-20-2020, 08:36 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 04-01-2020, 10:24 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 04-03-2020, 11:47 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 04-05-2020, 06:49 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 04-08-2020, 11:32 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 04-10-2020, 08:09 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 04-11-2020, 04:53 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 04-17-2020, 08:59 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 04-23-2020, 04:21 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 04-24-2020, 11:25 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 04-25-2020, 07:01 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 04-25-2020, 10:42 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 04-26-2020, 08:59 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 05-06-2020, 10:47 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 05-12-2020, 07:45 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 05-13-2020, 09:59 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 05-13-2020, 12:44 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 05-23-2020, 10:37 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 05-25-2020, 08:19 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 05-31-2020, 08:32 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 06-01-2020, 08:22 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 06-03-2020, 06:11 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 06-05-2020, 10:41 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 06-06-2020, 03:45 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 06-12-2020, 10:06 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 06-25-2020, 08:17 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-01-2020, 10:54 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-08-2020, 10:35 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 07-09-2020, 08:17 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-16-2020, 12:14 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 07-16-2020, 07:49 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-16-2020, 11:31 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-28-2020, 10:04 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 07-31-2020, 01:25 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-08-2020, 10:10 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 08-11-2020, 08:23 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-19-2020, 07:25 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 08-25-2020, 08:00 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Sandy Reith - 08-26-2020, 11:15 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 08-26-2020, 09:48 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 09-04-2020, 10:24 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 09-04-2020, 01:26 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Sandy Reith - 09-04-2020, 02:33 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 09-04-2020, 03:21 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 09-04-2020, 07:40 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 09-04-2020, 08:07 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 09-05-2020, 11:08 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 09-15-2020, 07:49 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 09-18-2020, 10:54 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 09-30-2020, 10:22 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Sandy Reith - 09-30-2020, 04:37 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 09-30-2020, 08:59 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 10-01-2020, 07:55 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 10-11-2020, 07:52 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-15-2020, 07:19 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 10-15-2020, 09:29 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-16-2020, 08:55 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-20-2020, 02:44 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-24-2020, 08:08 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-22-2020, 09:42 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 10-25-2020, 06:23 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 10-29-2020, 10:58 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-10-2020, 08:26 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 11-11-2020, 05:44 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-14-2020, 09:28 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-17-2020, 09:55 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 11-17-2020, 06:37 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 11-18-2020, 02:25 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-27-2020, 02:24 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 12-08-2020, 07:00 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 12-08-2020, 07:23 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-01-2021, 08:47 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-02-2021, 06:54 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-02-2021, 06:30 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 01-02-2021, 07:09 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-04-2021, 06:11 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-19-2021, 10:13 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-07-2021, 09:11 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-07-2021, 07:19 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-12-2021, 06:25 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 01-13-2021, 08:13 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-14-2021, 10:55 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-16-2021, 06:32 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 01-27-2021, 07:37 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-03-2021, 09:53 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-12-2021, 10:17 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-17-2021, 12:58 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 02-23-2021, 05:55 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-27-2021, 09:46 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 02-28-2021, 09:27 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-02-2021, 03:48 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-09-2021, 07:32 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 03-18-2021, 09:00 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 03-21-2021, 05:58 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by P7_TOM - 03-22-2021, 07:47 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 03-23-2021, 06:48 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 03-24-2021, 07:15 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 04-08-2021, 10:36 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Sandy Reith - 04-09-2021, 03:40 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 04-09-2021, 07:43 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 04-29-2021, 10:11 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 05-27-2021, 09:19 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 05-28-2021, 11:32 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 05-31-2021, 08:18 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by thorn bird - 06-01-2021, 06:44 PM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Sandy Reith - 06-02-2021, 10:03 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 06-02-2021, 11:20 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 06-09-2021, 11:59 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 06-10-2021, 05:16 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Kharon - 06-17-2021, 08:15 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 06-22-2021, 10:29 AM
RE: Shame or Fame for McCormack. - by Peetwo - 11-26-2021, 10:44 AM
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