AOPA Australia -
#84

The hypocrisy of the 'Mystique of Aviation Safety'.

Context reference: Accidents - Domestic #191
Quote:From the SBG:-

Which brings to item last; sadly we have had yet another fatal accident. Too early to tell for certain if the latest was a VFR into IMC incident; but it serves as a stark reminder of the perils associated with such an excursion. There has been furious debate, spread over many decades on how best to reduce this repeating statistic.  It is an old killer, always present, the dangers well known. You can take your pick of practical solutions – there are many on offer. But clearly ‘regulatory’ penalties and punishment don’t work, much has been written of the ‘psychological’ reasons for pushing your luck; volumes have been published on what’s best to do and what’s not; yet the statistics, world wide, show no reduction. We’ve all done it – junior to senior; yet the only folk not tempted are those who have done it, survived and sworn never to do it again. One instructor, definitely of the ‘old school’ and decades ago, used to take his students into cloud and ‘time’ how long they lasted; not long was the answer.

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So much depends on ‘other’ factors that it is almost impossible to determine how long it takes to become ‘disoriented’ and once the holes in that famous cheese start to line up – the outcome is in the lap of the gods. “Just don’t do it” shout the purists – but what of the accidental encounter, the unintentional: or, what of the old trap, that of letting the door behind you close, of always having an escape route and somewhere to go, when trumps turn to dog-pooh? Don’t know the answer and I’ve never heard a complete solution. Seven families have been left grieving. ATSB and CASA do what they can – in their own way, they do and it is not their fault. The advent of GPS and reliable auto pilots create a false sense of security; perhaps these should be removed from the basic training syllabus. Situational awareness is an imperative – contact with the reality of what’s ahead, behind and around the corner; in your own hands and on your own head. I’ll leave it there; for I have no solution to offer, no silver bullet; just our condolences to those left behind...
Courtesy of a Sandy Reith (open) email chain:
Quote:Aminta and Gentlemen,

In view of recent accidents we should restate some remedies and highlight the necessity for reform of the Civil Aviation Act.

There are well known conditions that will go towards safer flight, instrument flight rules (IFR) being an obvious way to reduce those accidents which are due to loss of visual reference. Loss of flying schools and the dearth of IF instructors, loss of radio personnel who are qualified for IFR equipment upgrades and maintenance, and increase of expenses via unnecessary CASA impositions, all mitigate against the take up of IFR flying. Airways charges by Airservices plus landing and parking fees compound the financial problems of obtaining an IF Rating.

In addition the whole psyche of our regulatory regime of criminal punishment for any deviation from a rule set that is so complex that any flight might easily contravene something. This creates a climate of excessive fear. Excessive fear is counter to a confidant and thoughtful approach to any flight operations, and often I've seen pilots about to fly and half their adrenalin has already been expended. In turn this will result in tiredness and less than optimal decision making, and loss of sharpness in handling skills.

I undertook my instrument training in the seventies. I recall thinking that synthetic vision would be a natural and desirable way to overcome all the drawbacks of having to interpret a number of analogue instruments in conjunction with limited radio navigation equipment. Of course we took pride in overcoming all of the inherent difficulties and had pride in maintaining and practicing skills that required a lot of work and concentration. But just as we wouldn't want to revisit and relearn the skills of eighteenth century sailors, we should embrace technological advances such as synthetic vision.  

Unfortunately in a hidebound, bureaucratically ruled and excessively taxed aviation environment, any advances are very slow, or in Australia we have practically impossible regulatory hurdles. Its noted that the problem of slow technological take up has been recognised in the USA and they are taking steps to speed up such progress. One area of interest, out of drone technology, is the possibility of much lower costs for lightweight auto pilots and navigation systems. Here again is an area that has potential for safer operations in general aviation (GA).

Lastly, its well known that the pilot with recency, that is the pilot who is current and well practiced, has a far lower accident rate by hours flown compared to the pilot with a low calendar rate of flying experience. Until Parliament amends the Act to promote and foster, coupled with a simple and workable rule set, safety will suffer and GA will decline. The current model of governance is the independent Commonwealth corporate body whose only (tenuous) continuing connection to the will of Parliament (i.e. us) is via the weakest of directions, a 'Statement of Expectations'. Therefore without change reform is not possible, because, unfettered, the bureaucratic incentives are to make work and maintain power for great working conditions and ever higher salaries. 

Sandy Reith

MTF?- No doubt...P2 Undecided
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RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 09-10-2020, 11:23 AM
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RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 09-16-2020, 10:26 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by P7_TOM - 09-23-2020, 09:25 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by P7_TOM - 09-29-2020, 09:12 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 09-30-2020, 12:51 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Kharon - 10-07-2020, 08:02 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 11-24-2020, 08:49 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Kharon - 11-24-2020, 07:57 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by P7_TOM - 11-25-2020, 08:59 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 12-03-2020, 09:32 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 01-02-2021, 05:55 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 03-04-2021, 04:54 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 03-10-2021, 01:01 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 05-05-2021, 09:35 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 05-12-2021, 10:51 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 08-19-2021, 09:12 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 08-28-2021, 06:36 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by P7_TOM - 08-29-2021, 08:31 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Sandy Reith - 08-29-2021, 03:52 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by thorn bird - 08-29-2021, 08:12 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Kharon - 08-30-2021, 06:49 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 11-21-2021, 08:33 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 02-17-2022, 07:19 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by P7_TOM - 02-20-2022, 08:09 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 04-30-2022, 09:20 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 05-26-2022, 06:51 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 06-05-2022, 06:18 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Wombat - 05-26-2022, 09:47 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Kharon - 05-27-2022, 06:51 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Kharon - 05-30-2022, 02:22 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by thorn bird - 06-01-2022, 08:29 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 06-20-2022, 09:45 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 08-03-2022, 10:00 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 09-09-2022, 07:31 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 11-05-2022, 08:03 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Kharon - 11-28-2022, 04:30 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 11-30-2022, 05:03 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Kharon - 11-30-2022, 05:27 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 12-06-2022, 09:02 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 01-19-2023, 09:00 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 02-08-2023, 08:36 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Wombat - 02-09-2023, 05:05 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 02-15-2023, 08:45 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Wombat - 02-15-2023, 11:38 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 02-22-2023, 07:38 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 02-27-2023, 10:26 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by AOPA_Aus - 02-27-2023, 09:29 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Kharon - 03-01-2023, 06:12 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 03-01-2023, 08:16 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Kharon - 03-02-2023, 07:16 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 03-08-2023, 10:11 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 03-14-2023, 06:51 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 03-22-2023, 11:58 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 04-06-2023, 10:02 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 04-06-2023, 07:02 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 04-07-2023, 04:17 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 04-09-2023, 07:54 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 04-14-2023, 06:42 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Wombat - 04-14-2023, 08:23 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Sandy Reith - 04-16-2023, 01:19 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 04-19-2023, 09:19 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 05-04-2023, 08:28 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Kharon - 05-10-2023, 07:16 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 05-17-2023, 07:35 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 06-23-2023, 05:28 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by P7_TOM - 06-26-2023, 09:40 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Wombat - 06-27-2023, 12:18 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Kharon - 06-27-2023, 04:03 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Sandy Reith - 06-27-2023, 04:28 PM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Wombat - 06-28-2023, 07:08 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Kharon - 06-29-2023, 07:55 AM
RE: AOPA Australia - - by Peetwo - 08-26-2023, 09:01 PM



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