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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - Peetwo - 08-14-2015

A brief news cut in the Oz Aviation's short haul section puts down the outrageous UK tabloid claims that Sonar pics (taken back in January) could be from MH370:

Quote:MH 370 : Canberra rejects UK sonar claims  

• by: SHORTHAUL
  
• From: The Australian
  
• August 14, 2015 12:00AM
  

THE federal government has dismissed British media reports suggesting that sonar images of box-like shapes in the Indian Ocean have revealed aircraft debris from missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft MH 370. A spokesman for Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss said the “Classification 3” images were old and had been discounted months ago. More than 400 features have been identified in the this category, which is the lowest, and is assigned to sonar images that are of some interest as they stand out from their surroundings but have low probability of being significant to the search. A wing component known as a flaperon found on La Reunion Island on July 29 has been identified by Malaysian officials as part of the missing aircraft but this has yet to be confirmed by tests in France. Meanwhile more than half of the expanded 120,000sq km area most likely to contain the wreckage has so far been searched.

  
I still find it 'passing strange' that DPM Farmer Truss is handling this, surely it is the domain of the ATSB to handle media enquiries on any developing MH370 stories...

Maybe he is just holding the fort until Beaker gets back from wining, dining & sunning himself in the lovely Toulouse...

MTF...P2    

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - Gobbledock - 08-14-2015

P2;

Maybe he is just holding the fort until Beaker gets back from wining, dining & sunning himself in the lovely Toulouse...

Perhaps Beaker is doing an accountancy course or a beauty course tailored around beards, waxing and manscaping?

But I think there is more to this. Beaker is an abomination and has absolutely no credibility and I think Farmboy has taken over on the Government commenting side of things because of that.

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - P7_TOM - 08-14-2015

Correct:\



Well deserved

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - Gobbledock - 08-16-2015

Reunion land and sea search binned.

Link below;

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2015/08/16/mh370-suspense-as-france-stays-silent-and-malaysia-says-strange-things/

But a good post article comment by Simon Gunson;

"It is long overdue that ICAO stepped in and declared the air accident investigation by both Malaysia and Australia incompetent, with an aim to convening a search under competent international supervision".

This 'thought' is gaining traction world wide - WTF are ICAO doing about this mess? All talk no action it would seem.

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - Peetwo - 08-16-2015

(08-16-2015, 02:18 PM)Gobbledock Wrote:  Reunion land and sea search binned.

Link below;

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2015/08/16/mh370-suspense-as-france-stays-silent-and-malaysia-says-strange-things/

But a good post article comment by Simon Gunson;

"It is long overdue that ICAO stepped in and declared the air accident investigation by both Malaysia and Australia incompetent, with an aim to convening a search under competent international supervision".

This 'thought' is gaining traction world wide - WTF are ICAO doing about this mess? All talk no action it would seem.

Yes Gobbles there has been much commentary on Ben's post and indeed the Brock McEwan paper etc on twitter, including by Ben - as someone said 'Ben is on fire' today...

Quote:MH370 suspense as France stays silent, and Malaysia says strange things

Ben Sandilands | Aug 16, 2015 8:06AM |


None of this rubbish on La Reunion came from MH370

As of tomorrow it will be a full two weeks since forensic testing of a claimed wing section from missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 began at the behest of a criminal probe in France in a military aviation laboratory in Toulouse.

Two weeks and yet no finding on the authenticity of the barnacle encrusted two metre long, and visually partly damaged flaperon, from the trailing edge of a Boeing 777-200ER that was found on 29 July (possibly for the second time in three months) on a beach on La Reunion, a French island in the west Indian Ocean between Madagascar further west and Mauritius to the north east of its tropic shores.

The social media echo chamber is, not surprisingly on this occasion, full of so far unsubstantiated rumours that Boeing doesn’t think that what is definitely a part of a Boeing 777 was in this case ever put into service.

(Boeing hasn’t yet officially said anything about provenance.  It knows the protocols of air accident investigations, and sticks to them, notwithstanding that what is happening in Toulouse is actually a criminal investigation by the public prosecutor’s office in Paris, inquiring into the deaths of four French nations, at least three of whom were residents of that city.)

However the Minister for Transport in Malaysia Liow Tiong Lai, has said quite a lot about the debris found on La Reunion, and been basically called as wrong in his utterances by the French authorities on the island.

According to Mr Liow on 6 August, parts of aircraft windows, seat cushions and aluminium sheeting that he said were from a plane had been found and handed to authorities.

Who have clearly lost them?  Or maybe decided they were the sort of stuff you use to keep food left overs in a ‘fridge,  or were discarded furnishings, and not part of an airliner with 239 people on board that disappeared on 8 March 2014 when it was flying for Malaysia Airlines between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing.

When Mr Liow gave an interview more recently on the astonishing discovery that sheets of reinforced concrete similar to those used on building projects that were found in the Maldives weren’t from MH370, he still managed to express himself so vaguely that he left open the possibility they were from MH370.

Which would be huge news. Imagine a jet airliner partly built from reinforced concrete!
Mr Liow’s willingness to say things that are unconfirmed by French authorities,  follows on his Prime Minister Najib Razak calling an urgent press conference in a near empty room in Kuala Lumpur earlier this month to say international experts had ‘unanimously concluded’ that the wing part came from MH370 minutes before another press conference in Paris said no such thing, and urged caution as to provenance.

The public prosecutor’s office also expressed disquiet over a lack of ‘reciprocity’ on the part of Malaysia in responding to its requests for more information about the police inquiries made in Malaysia.

Liow and Najib are continuing to harm their credibility on matters MH370, as did the Australia Prime Minister Tony Abbott who in April last year briefly took centre stage to publicly assured China that the acoustic experts in a defence facility in Australia had concluded that the then early search for MH370 had detected two sets of ‘pings’ in waters off the NW shore of Western Australia that sounded like they came from the jet’s two black box recorders.

The erratic claims about MH370 that have come out of KL are cause for concern.
It may well be that the flaperon now in France did come from MH370. The French investigators are entitled to take as much time as they need to determine if it ever flew, and if it did, how it might have become detached from an aircraft, presumably the one flying as MH370.

But the impatience of the media, and a distrust of Malaysia’s authorities  in terms of their disclosures to date, have made the determination of the causes of the loss of MH370 a toxic and corrosive topic that remains the plaything of fantasy peddlers, opportunistic politicians and civil servants seeking to further or even save their careers.

Worse than that, some of those suppositions about dishonest and misleading behaviour may even be true.

For the next of kin of the dead, this is an awful and obscene spectacle.

 ...someone else said that he woke up angry and yes the Gunson comment is indicative of most sentiment on MH370 with social media at the present time. Not looking good for the Abbott govt & ATSBeaker, well we did warn them hey Gobbles?? - Search for IP #post44 

MTF...P2

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - Gobbledock - 08-16-2015

P2;

Not looking good for the Abbott govt & ATSBeaker, well we did warn them hey Gobbles??

Not looking good at all old chap! Sadly the entire episode proves just how disconnected and stupid our recent succession of federal  Governments are/have been. Beaker is tarnished goods, has been since day one of his appointment. Combine the facts that this king of all Muppets currently runs one of the worlds worst jokes by way of the current ATsB, throw in a used car salesman like Slugger and top it off with a farmer Miniscule who hasn't so much as given a verbal opinion on aviation in the past 10 years, and you quickly see why this utterly distasteful and embarrassing pony pooh is leaving the taste of shit in everyone's mouths. The smartest thing Team Abbott could do is hand the whole thing over to ICAO and tell them it's all theirs!

Perhaps Australia could just try nicely and phone China's MSS or America's NSA and ask them for the satellite coordinates of where the aircraft ditched? Oh of course, I forgot, nobody saw or heard a thing.....

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - ventus45 - 08-18-2015

Re the flaperon, I am not convinced it is from MRO.

Although I don't necessarily subscribe to the theory, it has been "suggested" by "some" people, that the barnacles may suggest that the flaperon may have originated from a more "equatorial location" than 34S-94E.  See chapter 13 below.

However, I stumbled over this.
It may serve as a useful quick and dirty primer for some "aero-people" on the subject of Indian Ocean currents etc.
Three chapters - 11 - 12 & 13.
http://www.es.flinders.edu.au/~mattom/regoc/pdffiles/colour/single/11P-Indian.pdf
http://www.es.flinders.edu.au/~mattom/regoc/pdffiles/colour/single/12P-Indian.pdf
http://www.es.flinders.edu.au/~mattom/regoc/pdffiles/colour/single/13P-Indian.pdf

For those with a "deep" (pun) interest, the entire textbook can be downloaded here:
http://www.es.flinders.edu.au/~mattom/regoc/pdfversion.html

And for those who really want to study the sea ........
http://oceanworld.tamu.edu/resources/ocng_textbook/PDF_files/book.pdf

And on another matter, that of the 6th and 7th arcs (00:11z and 00:19z).
I still wonder, indeed, I have a nagging feeling, that those two arcs, as published, may be wrong.
Have they been determined, and plotted, as precisely as Beaker would have us believe ?
After all, the entire deep sea search depends on the precision of the arcs.
Not withstanding the 20us BTO quantisation issue, and the method by which the 7th BTO was "determined", it is of note that the aircraft was near local dawn at 00:00z, and funny things do happen to L band signals around dawn in the ionosphere.
The question is, are the 6th, and particularly the 7th arc BTO's and hence their arc radius calculations correct ?  
So far as I can determine, Beaker's Bugle Boys have never "air truthed" or "sea truthed" the predictions in the area of interest in the SIO, at dawn.
Food for thought.
http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/jres/69D/jresv69Dn3p395_A1b.pdf

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - thorn bird - 08-18-2015

Jeez Ventus,
your getting far to technical there for Beaker or his minions.
Beaker, following his "beyond all reason" methods, has cast the bones
and determined exactly where to search for MH370. His determination has been confirmed
by a "Chicken Guts" voodoo ceremony performed by the hoodoo voodoo doctor seconded from
CAsA. There is absolutely no truth in the rumor that the aliens removed the flaperon from MH 370 and tossed it in the ocean of La Reunion, nor that it was being used by some Asian fish farmers to grow clams on and it broke free.

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - Gobbledock - 08-18-2015

The Thorned one said;

There is absolutely no truth in the rumor that the aliens removed the flaperon from MH 370 and tossed it in the ocean of La Reunion,

OMG Thorny!!!!! I think you may have solved the mystery that has Beaker so flummoxed!! Footage above-

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - thorn bird - 08-18-2015

Told ya, knew it all along..the bloody aliens dun it!!

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - Cap'n Wannabe - 08-18-2015

uh....that were a gremlin...aliens work in post offices.

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - Peetwo - 08-19-2015

Top first post Captain Wannabe...

Although the silence from the French BEA is becoming deafening and the information vacuum resolutely continues, Ben Sandilands has picked up on a slightly obscured statement from the JACC in their weekly update on the MH370 SIO search:

Quote:New MH370 search planning meeting proposed for next month

Ben Sandilands | Aug 19, 2015 4:09PM |


The search for wreckage on La Reunion has now been called off

The sea floor search for MH370 could get another and this time loosely described planning meeting between Australia, Malaysia and China in Canberra next month.
The announcement, slipped into the weekly search update from the Joint Agency Coordination Committee this afternoon, doesn’t even have a precise date, or agenda.

Quote:

• It is proposed that officials from Australia, Malaysia and the People’s Republic of China will meet in Canberra in early September. Such meetings allow for information to be shared between all three countries as well as discussion of search operations. This meeting will particularly focus on planning to ensure the search is conducted as efficiently as possible, taking advantage of expected better weather with the onset of summer.
  

Wouldn’t it be refreshing if Australia, as the manager of the search effort, had a modicum of the determination of the public prosecutor’s office in Paris, and demanded that the Malaysians were more forthcoming as to what they knew about the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines flight between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing on 8 March, 2014, with 239 people onboard?

This is the massaged messaging given about the flaperon of a 777 retrieved from the shores of the French island of La Reunion in the west Indian Ocean on 29 July.

Quote:

• The French led investigation team examining the flaperon has concluded the first phase of inspection work. French authorities will, in consultation with Malaysia, report on progress in due course. The French investigation team is working as quickly as possible in order to provide complete and reliable information.
  

The spectacle of the Prime Minister of Malaysia, Najib Razak, rushing to announce that international authorities has identified the wing piece as being from MH370 several minutes before the deputy public prosecutor Serge Mackowiak said no such thing has been followed by Malaysia’s Transport Minister, Liow Tiong Lai, claiming the recovery of other parts of the jet which the authorities on La Reunion denied was the case.

The honesty and integrity of the executive branch of Malaysia is on trial in a court of public opinion they cannot control, despite the craven attitude of Canberra, and not just about MH370 but honesty in the management of Malaysia’s financial affairs.

The general gutlessness of Canberra is relation to what Kuala Lumpur knew about this flight and when is thoroughly offensive, given that the airline and the authorities did next to nothing in the early hours of that morning to trace any sighting of the flight, or to contact the pilots,  and persist, even in recent times, in making unreliable and changeable statements about it or pieces of claimed wreckage.

The search update can be read in full here.

Passing strange that there is not much fanfare or media hype with what would normally be considered a significant announcement - re the proposed tri-partite meeting. It's like they're all holding their collective breath pending an announcement coming out of Toulouse...

I also get the impression the degrees of separation is growing between the ATSB, the JACC & the Minister's office - or maybe that is just wishful thinking...

MTF...P2     

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - Gobbledock - 08-22-2015

Are the 'wings falling off' the investigation?

Interesting article on 'Rooters';

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0QQ17T20150821

Interesting indeed, but not surprising. We have the incompetent Aussies under super sleuth Beaker investigating, we have the hands-off bizarre Malaysians poking around, and now we have the arrogant yet much more competent Frogs involved!!! Exciting stuff but never fear, then you have those who sit in their silk suits and sprout off legal, policy, and world governance conventional speak - ICAO, who quite honestly should be appalled and ashamed of the folly taking place, and ashamed of themselves for sitting on their fat asses.

As the young P2 would say; MTF!

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - Gobbledock - 08-23-2015

Freescale employee analysing the numbers

http://www.malaysiandigest.com/frontpage/282-main-tile/566288-inmarsat-data-on-mh370-maths-and-physics-don-t-lie-says-expert.html

Moderately interesting article. Once again a 'link' to Freescale pops up.

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - Peetwo - 09-02-2015

From the absolutely disgusting weasel-worded, ATSBeaker Corporate Plan for 2015-16...

Quote:Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 – international contribution


The ATSB will receive an additional $50.024 million in appropriation revenue during 2015–16 to continue to assist the Malaysian Government with its investigation into the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (MH370). This additional revenue is not included in the table above, as the table only reflects the ATSB’s core business. The ATSB will continue to work with primary and secondary stakeholders in relation to decisions made by Governments in relation to the search and/or potential recovery operations of MH370.

View from the stern of Fugro Discovery as she sails across the southern Indian Ocean

Source: ATSB, photo by ABIS Chris Beerens, RAN.

Crew members aboard Fugro Discovery, working on ‘Dragon Prince’, the EdgeTech DT-1Towfish
Source: ATSB, photo by ABIS Chris Beerens, RAN.

Under 'Performance' section of CP: ...The ATSB will continue to assist the Malaysian Government with its investigation into the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (MH370) in accordance with Annex 13 to the Convention on International Civil Aviation. The ATSB will continue to work with primary and secondary stakeholders in relation to decisions made by Governments in relation to the search and/or potential recovery operations of MH370.

Under 'Risk oversight & management' section of CP: ...The ATSB is currently using a mature approach to risk management to guide its activities in the search for the missing Malaysia Airline aircraft MH370. Searching for missing aircraft and planning for their recovery are not part of the ATSB’s core business. However, the ATSB has been able to undertake the lead role in the search by ensuring that it is proactive in identifying the obstacles to a successful operation and adapting and mobilising resources expediently to overcome these obstacles. 

What a load of BOLLOCKS - from what I've seen so far, the ATSB is merely a handmaiden to the Malaysian Najib Government...
MTF...P2

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - Peetwo - 09-04-2015

PT quote: "MH370′s disappearance remains the greatest, and most contentious and frustrating of aviation mysteries." - Got that right..

Finally we get confirmation on the provenance of that flaperon...

First from the AFP via the Oz:

Quote:MH370: France confirms wing part is from missing Malaysia Airlines plane  

• by:
  
• From: AFP
  
• September 04, 2015 6:57AM
  

The flaperon found on La Reunion in July. Source: AFP

French prosecutors have confirmed that a wing part found on a remote Indian Ocean island was from ill-fated Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, a month after tests on the flaperon began.  

“It is possible today to say with certainty that the flaperon discovered on Reunion island on July 29 came from flight MH370,” Paris prosecutors said in a statement, confirming claims made by Malaysia’s Prime Minister last month.

The Boeing 777 disappeared on March 8 last year, inexplicably veering off course en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board, including six Australians.
The disappearance turned into one of the biggest mysteries in the history of aviation, sparking a colossal hunt in the Indian Ocean based on satellite data which hinted at MH370’s possible path.

Then at the end of July, a man on Reunion island — a French overseas territory — found the two-metre-long wing part, which was flown to France for tests by aviation experts.
Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak was quick to announce that the piece belonged to MH370, but French investigators were more cautious, saying only there was a “very high probability” it came from the plane.

In the statement on Thursday, prosecutors said investigators discovered three numbers on the wing part, and later concluded that one of the figures corresponded to the serial number of an MH370 flaperon.
AFP

And then Ben Sandilands (Planetalking) talks about the expanded but continued dilemmas of this belated confirmation:
 

Quote:Positive ID of MH370 part leaves cause, location of disaster unknown

Ben Sandilands | Sep 04, 2015 8:04AM |



Like pallbearers, police bear the flaperson off the rocky shore of La Réunion

The public prosecutor’s office in Paris has issued a statement confirming  that the wing part of a Boeing 777 that was recovered from the shores of La Réunion on 29 July comes from Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, missing since 8 March 2014.

Investigators had been examining the flaperon, part of the trailing edge of the wing of the jet in a military research laboratory near Toulouse since early in August and had declined to confirm it was from the flight that disappeared with 239 people on board on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing until any possibility that was an identical part discarded  by another 777 operator had been eliminated.

The Paris prosecutor’s office said in a statement Thursday that investigators used maintenance records to match a serial number found on the wing part with the missing Boeing.

“Today it is possible to state with certainty that the flaperon discovered on Reunion July 29, 2015 corresponds to that of Flight MH370,” the prosecutor’s statement said.
Which of course leaves the cause of the flight’s disappearance and the location of the heavy wreckage unresolved.

The Malaysia directed and Australia managed search in the south Indian Ocean has so far proved unsuccessful, although very early in the saga there were satellite and aerial sightings of surface debris that might just have been from MH370.

As conditions improve with the end of winter sea conditions in the priority search area Australia intends to use more sophisticated synthetic aperture sonar and a large automated underwater vehicle resembling a large fat torpedo to check out ‘holes’ and ‘shadows’ in already searched locations where the wreckage may have evaded detection.

It will also continue to scan an expanded search zone, reaching out to a maximum extent of 120,000 square kilometres compared to an initial area half that size which despite uncertainties in satellite data and flight assumptions, is believed to contain the most likely locations for the sunk wreckage.

The confirmation that the flaperon is from MH370 is unlikely to end speculation that the jet crashed in the sea close to its point of departure, or in Vietnam, China, or other parts of the vast Indian Ocean.

Those speculations are difficult if not impossible to reconcile with signals from MH370 that indicate it flew for seven hours 39 minutes after liftoff and made it’s final incomplete contact via a satellite over the western Indian Ocean from a place where that satellite had to be almost halfway between the horizon and zenith in the sky as seen from its position.
However there are numerous and contentious issues involving the assumptions relied upon by the search directors, and also recognised in part by them, that may lead to further changes in or near the priority search areas.

MH370′s disappearance remains the greatest, and most contentious and frustrating of aviation mysteries.

Spot on Ben..


MTF...P2

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - Peetwo - 09-12-2015

MH370 & 'Drift wars'??

From the Budget Senate Estimates our MH370 super sleuth Chief Commissioner divined us with his superior wisdom on all things MH370 SIO search related :

Quote:Mr Dolan : No. To explain that: the initial stages of the search for MH370—looking for debris on the surface in the hope that there might still be survivors—was a matter of search and rescue, which is with the Australian Maritime Safety Authority. The questions of what techniques might be available in future for extensive search and rescue operations is really one for AMSA. For our purpose, which is the subsurface search—trying to define an area where the aircraft may be and searching for it—there is a highly specialised technique using towed sonar and other equipment.


Senator GALLACHER: They are all unmanned vehicles, aren't they?

Mr Dolan : Yes.

Senator GALLACHER: I am just curious why we did not have one above the ground as well as one below the sea.

Mr Dolan : I was not responsible for the surface search, so it is not a matter I can comment on.

Senator GALLACHER: Okay. So the search continues. Are we any closer?

Mr Dolan : Every day we cover more area is a day we should be closer to finding the aircraft.

ACTING CHAIR: You should just ask the Chinese. They might have something!

Mr Dolan : We are confident that, if we have defined the search area well—as we think we have—we have the techniques and the capability to find the aircraft. We have confidence but not certainty that we will find it.

Senator WILLIAMS: Are you surprised that you have not found any luggage or plastic bags floating? You would think that, if an aircraft went down anywhere in the ocean, there would be some sort of luggage or something floating—some evidence—and yet there has not been any of that seen, has there?

Mr Dolan : There are probably three points to be made there. The first is that, historically, if you look at the range of collisions of passenger aircraft with water, there are a range of possibilities, some of which have very little floating debris at all, some of which, such as Air France 447 in the South Atlantic, have extensive floating debris. We do not know how hard and at what angle the aircraft hit the water, so we do not know how much floating debris there would have been. The second is that we did not start looking for floating debris until about day 10, when a lot of it would already have been dispersed, so it was a difficult task. The third is that all the projections we can do say that any debris that there may be would most likely have been progressively floating further out into the Indian Ocean and ending up in one of those large gyres that collects a whole range of rubbish in the middle of the Indian Ocean.

Senator WILLIAMS: It is a mystery, isn't it?

Mr Dolan : It is.

Strange the complete disconnection by Dolan between the AMSA surface search for debris and the ATSB/CSIRO projections for debris, remembering that this was well before the discovery of the flaperon on Reunion island. Personally from experience as a former SAR pilot I find the flippant remarks from Dolan as completely risible. Why all possible means - theoretical or otherwise - weren't used to the point of exhaustion to find surface debris is beyond comprehension. There is something fundamentally flawed with the methodology used by the bureau, when they get to the point where they can no longer 'see the woods for the trees'...

Perhaps to highlight the flawed ATSB 'Beyond all Sensible Reason' (BASR) approach Mike Chillit has recently released a 'work in progress' report - MH370 update 09/11- that IMO is well worth taking the time to read...  

Quote:This is a very brief summary that examines some of the issues

that arise following the recovery of MH370’s right flaperon from

Reunion Island. That speck of debris is a step forward, but a

small step. It does not tell us, yet, as much as we need to know

to find the rest of the plane.


Included here now, as of September 11, 2015, are copies of

requests for information, and responses, from ATSB / JACC. They

are neither private nor confidential and should be shared with all

who wish to know how the search is being conducted.

[Please Note that the Getty Image on the previous page shows a LEFT flaperon. It is for illustrative purposes only. The flaperon that washed up on Reunion Island was from MH370’s RIGHT side.]

Mike Chillit

I personally think Mike should have titled it the 'Drift Wars' - as per section 2 - because it is an apt description on where the 'current' conundrum is within the bizarre MH370 'disinformation bubble'...   

Quote:When the flaperon was recovered at the end of July, speculation was rampant that search efforts in the Southern Indian Ocean were in the wrong part of the world. An estimated $120 million Australian dollars had been invested in a narrow strip of ocean
2,500 kilometers southwest of Perth. That strip is about 1,000 kilometers long, and about 120 kilometers wide (120,000 square kilometers). Nothing at all associated with MH370 has been found, although an old shipwreck and two lost-overboard shipping containers have now been mapped. Without finding debris of any kind, it was natural to wonder if the search was where it needed to be.

Concerns about the search location were magnified by Australia 10 months earlier when it asked Indonesia to be on the lookout for MH370-related debris, particularly along the western shores Sumatra and Java. Obviously, someone associated with Australia’s search expected drift to go northeast to Indonesian shores. But suddenly the only drift anyone had washed up on the far side of the Indian Ocean. How could that happen if Australia knew anything at all about drift patterns west of its own shores?

MTF...P2  

   

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - Gobbledock - 09-12-2015

Inmarsat update

http://www.cbronline.com/news/mobility/networks/inmarsat-flight-tracking-system-seeks-end-to-lost-aircraft-4668982

Brings reporting times down to slots of 14 minutes in line with UN’s ICAO 15 minute target.

MTF? I would say so......

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - P7_TOM - 09-12-2015

A Plane Talking nutshell by Ben Sandilands; only three sentences matter, read the rest at your leisure.

Quote:China’s concerns about MH370 are very real. The intensity of those concerns is confirmed by its apparent reluctance to turn up in Canberra. If only we knew what Beijing knows

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RE: Australia, ATSB and MH 370 - aussie500 - 09-12-2015

Bringing the reporting times down to 14 minutes will make no difference if it takes the people on the land hours to do anything about a missing plane load of people.

And I still have doubts it would help find anything if one wandered off again. The ping arcs only tell you how far from the satellite the plane was at a certain time. This lot know MH370 flew through the 7th arc, yet the do not search much beyond it.

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